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2002 toyota siena front brakes are getting very hot

 

Country: United States
Make: Toyota
Model: Sienna
Year: 2002

Already Tried:
change front brake pads,rotors,calipers and bleed the lines

Submitted: 270 days and 1 hours ago.
Category: Toyota
Value: $30
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Expert:  Toyota Service replied270 days ago.


Toyota Service :

Hello. Welcome to Just Answer. Please allow me to assist you by discussing your request in detail. Thanks

Toyota Service :

Has anyone looked at the rear brakes during the diagnosis of this problem?

Customer :

Hi no i havent looked at the rear brakes but i have bled the rear brakes

Toyota Service :

Rear disc or rear drum?

Customer :

drum

Toyota Service :

Does the park brake hold the vehicle from moving with it set and the transmission in drive; no application of the brake pedal?

Toyota Service :

In our shop, we see this quite a bit. More often than not, the rear brakes are not adjusted properly, and, if so, the rear brakes are not doing their share of the braking, which causes the front rotors to work harder to stop the vehicle; this creates more heat.

Toyota Service :

Also, a buildup of brake dust in the rear drums will compromise the rear braking ability

Customer :

yes the parking brake works

Toyota Service :

Does it move with the park brake on, in drive, whilst giving it gas?

Customer :

no

Toyota Service :

Have you removed the rear drums and checked for brake dust?

Customer :

no sir

Toyota Service :

That would be my next step; remove the rear drums, clean the interior of the drum with brake cleaner, sand the brake shoes with some 80 grit sandpaper, and then adjust the rear brakeshoes

Toyota Service :

Before you do that, raise the rear wheels off the ground and spin the tires. (park brake off). If the tire spins very freely, with no drag, the rear brakes need adjusted

Toyota Service :

There sgould be a tiny bit of drag when you spin the rear wheels, just a touch.

Toyota Service :

There have been known issues with the front brake hoses constricting, either with age or a previous caliper replacement where someone clamped vice grips on the brake hose to stop the brake fluid from leaking out. This constriction can keep some pressure on the front calipers

Customer :

but when i bled the brake the pressure was good

Customer :

and how would i know the rear brake is adjusted properly

Toyota Service :

The pressure will be good. The constriction will keep the pressure applied, if there is an issue; this will not prevent fluid form coming out when you bleed.

Toyota Service :

Rear brakes: Raise the vehicle. Spin the rear wheels as fast as you can by hand. If they do not slow down in 2 or 3 rotations, the rear brakes are not adjusted. Click the starwheels until you hear a slight brake shoe rub on the drums as you spin the tire. Slight rub. Very slight,.

Toyota Service :

Think of the constriction like when you kink a garden hose just a bit. The water still comes out, but the pressure is different.

Customer :

oh ok

Toyota Service :

:-)

Customer :

so i should check the rear brake shoes and clean them and adjust them

Customer :

if thats dosen't fix the problem

Customer :

i should replace the front brake hoses?

Toyota Service :

Sure. You do need a couple cans of spray brake cleaner to do the job right, and a piece of 80 grit sandpaper.

Toyota Service :

How many miles on the Sienna?

Customer :

234981

Toyota Service :

oh.

Customer :

lol

Toyota Service :

yes, I would consider replacing the front hoses.

Customer :

ok is there any other possibility of something else bad

Toyota Service :

I doubt it....perhaps the master cylinder is not developing proper pressure to the rear wheel cylinders, but that would be rare. Possible, but rare. What color is the brake fluid in the reservoir" Clear or dark (before you started)

Customer :

looks clear

Toyota Service :

That is good. Dark fluid = moisture in the system, which could indicate rusted wheel cylinders.

Toyota Service :

Brake fluid absorbs moisture. Always change it when you cannot see thru it

Customer :

let me try aand adjusting the brakes and i will let you know boss

Toyota Service :

OK

Customer :

could having bigger tires in the front cause the problem

Customer :

because i put pads rotors and calipers 2 days ago and now i see them like reddish and the wheel moves freely

Toyota Service :

Reddish?

Customer :

borownish ,redish color

Toyota Service :

Like red hot reddish?

Customer :

yes

Toyota Service :

And both of the front wheels spin freely?

Customer :

yes

Toyota Service :

anybody change the master cylinder?

Customer :

no sir

Toyota Service :

Why did you change the pads the rotors and the calipers?

Customer :

pad needed to be changed so when i felt the wheels were very hot and rotors were done so i thought the caliper might be stiking

Toyota Service :

Does the master cylinder reservoir lid have a rubber gasket under it?

Toyota Service :
2:57 PM

Does the master cylinder reservoir lid have a rubber gasket under it?

Customer :

yes

Toyota Service :

is it deformed, bigger than it should be?

Customer :

no

Toyota Service :

and the brake rotors get red hot/glowing red?

Customer :

yes

Customer :

its like missisipi dirt

Toyota Service :

You have some kind of issue keeping the brake pressure on. This could be a mis-adjusted brake master cylinder rod (it might be adjustable; back it out a few turns). The brake hose constriction is sounding like the issue, however. The brake rotors only get hot form fraiction, and the only way you are going to have friction enough to get the rotors red hot is either the calipers are staying applied, the hoses are keeping pressure applied, or the master cylinder is keeping pressure applied.

Toyota Service :

or your caliper slides are stuck, or you have the wrong pads and calipers installed

Toyota Service :

Some remahn caliper pistons stick in the bores. Do the pistons retract easily into the new calipers when they are hot?

Customer :

i hvent check that yet

Toyota Service :

At this moment, if the car was in my shop, I woudl be replacing the calipers and the brake hoses before I did anything else.

Toyota Service :

I would check that, and, if they are tight, replace them.

Customer :

ok boss

Toyota Service :

Ok

Toyota Service :

Please let me know how you make out

Customer :

roger that

Toyota Service : Ok.

 
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