Hi Lane, I ever asked you some questions about gift tax last month. Now this is my new account (because I am closing my old account) and I would like to follow up on some questions:
- You mentioned on 709 form: "Nonresidents not citizens of the United States are subject to gift and GST taxes for gifts of tangible property situated in the United States". Just to check, the stocks in my brokerage account should be intangible property, right? So if I gift my stocks to my parents this year (because I am non-resident alien this year), it is not subject to gift tax nor applicable to lifetime exclusion, thus I do not really need to file any report, right? - If I transfer my stocks or cash from my US bank account to my Singapore bank account, then is the stocks or cash still considered as US-situated property or not? Just wonder, if later on, I want to gift the cash from my Singapore bank account to other people, do I still need to file gift tax return or not (I am always non-resident alien when doing so).
Hi!That's right - gifts of any intangible property by a nonresident alien (stocks, other securities), whether or not situated in the U.S. and regardless of its value, would not be taxable. And on the transfer question, no the property being in Singapore would not be US situs property and we're still talking about intangibles here as well.No need to file the 709 at allGood to hear from youLane
The Internal Revenue Service and the courts have generally taken the position that cash gifts (for example, in the form of actual bills and coins), constitute tangible personal property. As a result, cash gifts made by a nonresident alien in the U.S. are subject to gift tax. On the other hand, in Private Letter Ruling(NNN) NNN-NNNN the Service ruled, in part, that a transfer of cash by a check drawn on a foreign bank and payable by a U.S. bank is not subject to gift tax.
Prior rulings by the Service on the issue of whether a cash transfer, in a form other than the physical exchange of bills and coins, have not been entirely consistent. In addition, a private letter ruling binds only the IRS and the requesting taxpayer. Absent clear guidance, the safest approach is to presume that cash is tangible personal property for purposes of the gift tax rules.
But when I transfer cash to other people, I do it from my Singapore bank account when I live physically in Singapore and I am outside US for the year. Is it still considered as "by a nonresident alien in the U.S." ?
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Regardless, thanks again,
Just to follow up this question further, because on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_tax_in_the_United_States#Non-residents, it says that,
For gift tax purposes, the test is different in determining who is an non-resident alien (NRA), compared to the one for income tax purposes (the inquiry centers around the decedent's domicile). This is a subjective test that looks primarily at intent. The test considers factors such as the length of stay in the United States; frequency of travel, size, and cost of home in the United States; location of family; participation in community activities; participation in U.S. business and ownership of assets in the United States; and voting.
So my questions are:
- To prepare for the worst case, assuming that, I did the gifting this year (but the amount was below unified lifetime credit), then a couple of years later, IRS catches my case and judges that I was actually a resident (not a NRA) when I did the gifting. If this happens, I will be forced to file gift tax return and pay gift tax by then. In this case, because I can still claim to count this gift towards my unified lifetime credit and by doing so, I should not owe any gift tax to IRS anyways, right? Just wonder, is there still any late filing penalty for this not-owing-any-tax case? If so, how to calculate it?
- For the hypothetical case above, when I claim to use the unified lifetime credit, I am actually claiming based on the credit amount in the year I did gifting rather than in the year I am filing the return (which could be a couple of years later than the year I did gifting), right?
- To prevent the worst case from happening, do you think it is OK to still file form 709 to notify IRS about this gifting regardless, even though I think I am still a NRA this year? So that I fulfill (actually over-fulfill) my responsibility. But if I do so, does it mean that IRS will just consider me as a resident alien and count this amount into my unified lifetime credit and there is no way for me to argue that "this should not be counted because I was a NRA when gifting" in the future anymore?
If a return is not timely filed, IRC 6651(a)(1) provides for a penalty of 5% if the failure is for not more than one month, with an additional 5% for each month or fraction thereof during which the failure continues, but not in excess of 25%.
The failure to file (FTF) penalty under IRC 6651(a)(1) applies to any delinquent return or substitute for return, except when the failure to file was due to reasonable cause and not willful neglect.
The FTF penalty is computed on the net amount due. The net amount due is the tax liability required to be shown on the return reduced by payments of tax on or before the date prescribed for payment and by the amount of allowable credits against the tax, which may be claimed on the return.
Thanks a lot for your reply!
Just to clarify one point (sorry I did not mention it clearly before), for one gift, I am actually transfer stocks from my US brokerage account to my parents and the stocks are issued by a US public company, so it is US-situs property (but still intangible since it is stock). Hope in this case, your opinion is still valid.
And I was asking about which year to determine the unified lifetime credit, because this credit changes every year. I know this year is $5,250,000, but I heard next year it may drop to $1,000,000. So just would like to see the gifting this year is associated with which year's unified lifetime credit (this year or the later year when I am forced to fill gift tax return).
As a follow-up, just to be sure I'm being clear, Bo ...
The amount that your total accumulated gifts (total to) each year will be applied to the lifetime exclusion for THAT year, for TAX DUE purposes
And the need to file has only to do with being required to file (as we have been discussing) which will in turn add that year's gifts to the accumulated total.
Thanks a lot for the explanation! I feel much clearer now:)
Just found this on 6651 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/6651):
In the case of a failure to file a return of tax imposed by chapter 1 within 60 days of the date prescribed for filing of such return (determined with regard to any extensions of time for filing), unless it is shown that such failure is due to reasonable cause and not due to willful neglect, the addition to tax under paragraph (1) shall not be less than the lesser of $135 or 100 percent of the amount required to be shown as tax on such return.
Does it mean that, even when I have 0 tax liability, I still need to pay $135 as the minimum for late filing ?
Here we go Bo.This is found in the IRS internal manual (see the underlined sentence below):
If the return is at least 60 days late, including extensions, a minimum FTF penalty applies:
For returns filed (without regard to extensions) after 12/31/2008, the minimum penalty is the lesser of $135 or 100 percent of the tax required to be shown on the return that was not paid on or before the due date.
For returns filed (without regard to extensions) before 1/1/2009, the minimum penalty is the lesser of $100 or 100 percent of the tax required to be shown on the return that was not paid on or before the due date.
In order for the minimum penalty to apply, there must be a net tax due. Withholding and other allowable credits as of the due date of the return must be less than the revised tax liability or tax required to be shown on the return.
The minimum penalty applies only to income tax returns. It does not apply to employment tax, excise tax, gift tax, or estate tax returns.
When both the failure to pay (FTP) penalty and the minimum FTF penalty apply (income tax returns only), the minimum FTF penalty is not reduced by the amount of the FTP penalty.
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I see. Thanks for the update. While FTF penalty does not apply to gift tax in this section, can we just confirm that there is 0 penalty for late filing if there is 0 gift tax liability? Or there is other tax code that deals with FTF penalty for gift tax return?
If valid extensions of time to file have been granted, the FTF penalty is not applicable until the expiration of the extension and then only from that date on. An extension may be considered invalid if tax is not properly estimated. In these instances, the FTF penalty is computed from the original due date.
To arrive at the tax liability required to be shown on return, compute the revised tax liability of the case, excluding all net operating loss, capital loss and credit carrybacks.
All withholding credits are considered timely paid regardless of the posting date shown on the IDRS transcript. Additional withholding credits allowable are considered timely paid and are allowed as credits when computing the delinquency penalty.
Refundable credits such as earned income credit, additional child tax credit, first time homebuyer credit, etc:
Are treated as payments when computing the FTF penalty.Adjustments made to change these credits are not included in the revised tax liability.Instead, when computing the FTF penalty with adjustments to these credits, the revised tax liability as determined in paragraph (b) above is reduced by the allowable amount of these refundable credits.The "allowable" amount of refundable credit is the total amount shown on the transcript increased or decreased by any adjustments made to the refundable credit in the Appeals tax computation.
Are treated as payments when computing the FTF penalty.
Adjustments made to change these credits are not included in the revised tax liability.
Instead, when computing the FTF penalty with adjustments to these credits, the revised tax liability as determined in paragraph (b) above is reduced by the allowable amount of these refundable credits.
The "allowable" amount of refundable credit is the total amount shown on the transcript increased or decreased by any adjustments made to the refundable credit in the Appeals tax computation.
The FTF penalty is generally computer generated by the Campus with respect to the liability shown on delinquent returns.
Generally Appeals computations that assert the IRC 6651 penalty use the RGS penalty schedules or the TCS Excel penalty spreadsheets on the Technical Support SharePoint site, reached by a link on the TCS web site.
Interest will be imposed on the FTF penalty as of the return due date (including extensions.) The Campus will normally compute interest. If the taxpayer wishes to make a payment, then an interest computation will be requested by the AO and included in the case file.
Additional information on computing the FTF penalty can be found in IRM 20.1.2, Failure To File/Failure To Pay Penalties.
See IRM 184.108.40.206.7.4, Minimum Penalty, for additional information