Each state (as separate taxing authorities will have their own rules about who must file as either a resident or non-resident
And most will require tax be paid on their state's source income, which generally...
means income earned while in their state ... but, again, each state has it's own definition of what constitutes "California source income," for example, as well
as these individuals do their own state tax return MOST states will tax all income for residents BUT provide a credit for taxes paid to another state
In the scenario you described there would be no need to withhold
BUT the individuals should look at the states where they ear income to see whether that state requires the filing of a non-resident return
Here''s California's page for deciding whether one needs to file a non-resident return: https://www.ftb.ca.gov/individuals/fileRtn/
as for our employer obligation, what would it be in this situation. Would we have to withhold in CA?
and here's a link found on THAT page that shows how much income needs to be earned there before there's even a need to file:https://www.ftb.ca.gov/forms/2012_California_Tax_Rates_and_Exemptions.shtml#ifr
No, as you can see from the chart, there would (I'm guessing - not knowing the amount of payment) not even be a need to report in California at all
Now, if the employees are residents of California, and will work there on a full tim basis, then yes you will need to do CA withholding
Simplest solution would be to pay them as contractors (1099)
As of right now we apply withholding taxes of wherever the work is being performed, such as the workers in louisiana, we taxed in Louisiana even though they live in California, would this be proper
unfortunately we have discovered that doing the employee v contractor test via the IRS they are classified as our employees based on duties but that is how we ahve done it in the past
In the 4 day scenario, no that's not necessary .. again, probably not even enough to need to report there
so no need to report in Louisiana you mean
not sure if you could answer this but would we need to tax for state unemployment in Louisiana in that case?
Speculation would be no (each state will have thresholds for that as well)
and that would be a separate threshold then income tax correct?
Yes, that would be a state dept of labor issue
ok got it, now just to clarify, in the situation described with louisiana/California. It seems that for a four day project they would not have to have taxes withheld in Louisiana, but would we have to withhold since they are residents of California in California? Or would that be something for them to handle on their return?
If you'd like I can work up something that covers all the bases .. but really would have to handle that as an "offer more project"
what would an offer more project entail
I think honestly we're there now, but we now have something available where I can offer to take on a project at a price we negotiate (that really may be MORE than you're looking for) but to answer your question ...
four day project in Louisiana, right no need to withhold for that ... and ...
The time fram for the CA residents id also just four days?
"is" also ...
yes california residents working in Lousiana for 4 days
No ... you're not doing business in CA .. They would just need to report is as additional income...
so as the employer there would be no obligation on us in this case?
Most states have their own exemption certificate form that, for state withholding purposes, serves the equivalent function of the federal Form W-4.
ok great, i think this clarified things a bit
thank you for your help
Just found this:
Generally speaking, merely performing de minimus services in a state as an employee will not alone cause the employee to be subject to the state's income tax if the employee's principal place of employment is outside the state. Bear in mind that not all states have a de minimus exception and that the time period will vary dramatically from state to state. For example, Connecticut has a 14-day period, but other states permit 30 or more days of work.
so that's the LA piece
And here's CA's form: Employee Withholding Exemption Forms: California Form DE-4
oh good that applies to this directly
and when is this form used again?
Yes, and then you can have them complete the CA form to state no withholding ... for a four day project that would be deemed as reassonable
ok got it!
By the way, you may find this helpful (just to cover the bases):
Withholding Services and Compliance MS F182Franchise Tax BoardP.O. Box 942867Sacramento, CaliforniaNNN-NN-NNNNbr/>Telephone:(NNN) NNN-NNNN/p>
ok great, thank you
You're very welcome
Can I help with anything else today?
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