I am a retired Police Office that went out in 2001 due to an Industrial Disability and receive a tax free (1099R) pension of roughly 40,000 a year. I have no medical insurance and until "Obama Care" have actually received a letter refusing me insurance. They claimed my injury was the reason. CALPERS own that injury forever. My questions now are: What is my income to apply for the healthcare act? Do I list my income as to what the 1099R says or what my adjusted gross comes out to that is taxable?
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According to the definition of "Modified Adjusted Gross Income" only the taxable part of your pension would be included in the definition. Here's a link that explains the computation of "Modified Adjusted Gross Income" for purposes of the Affordable Care Act.
That much I do understand. Because my pension is sent 1099R (Roughly $40,000 a year) and is non-taxable do I use that number for the affordable healthcare OR what my Modified adjusted is...that was $152.00 last year
The 1099R indicates that your pension is non-taxable doesn't it?
if 152 I am under 1% of the US in the poverty section. Homeless live on more than that
Did you look at the link yet?
I have it already but a bit confusing to me
In what way; pension income is explained there?
Im looking at my last years tax. Distrubition code is 3
Do I use the under 200 number when applying for affordable health care?
Basically, it shows that you start with Adjusted Gross Income (it shows all the things that are included in that as well as deducted from gross income); then below it shows what you must add to the adjusted gross income figure for the line that's applicable to your return (or the what the number would be if you filed a return).
I'd have to recheck code 3 but isn't it non-taxable disability ?
I get confused because I include my 1099R was income / pension recieved but 3 makes than non-taxable income. I end up being taxed on interest and things like that, nothing else
yes 3 is non-tax industrial disability
What's in box 1 & 2?
185 is in 2(a)?
yea 2a $185
Now you see my confusion? LOL
So whatever that is has been deemed taxable; must be some other benefit
no 2(a) is the taxable amount
Interest earned that sort of thing
So on your 1040 you would list 38,212 in box 16(a) & 185. in box 16(b).
I have and or keep no bills
So, the 185. would be included in your adjusted gross income which won't affect anything.
I do a 1040A no deductions
other than the standard
I don't see why you are confused; sorry?
If you look at the chart, it clearly shows what line you start with on the return you file.
Are you married?
Let me see maybe it didnt get the entire doc when I was there yesterday
Do you receive Social Security Disability or regular Social Security benefits (not sure how old you are).
I'm 51, retired at 39. Never had a job that paid SS. I was Military then Law Enforcement
OK, so there's no adjustment there.
The only reason your pension isn't included is because it isn't taxable; if the total was in box 2(a) on the 1099 you would have to include it.
Do you even have to file a return?
My question because I fall into such a small group is what do I claim as my income? It seems that is is the adjusted but that seems SOOOO wrong
If that's wrong, your disability should be taxed.
Yes I file every year and actually got back $13 last year from State due to my vehicle reg
OK, are you in CA?
Yes In CA
CALPERS Industrial Disibility
What does CALPERS stand for? I get the CA..................
California Public Employees Retirement System
This question even stumped them over the 1099R vs. W2
OK so CAL is California; that's what was throwing me......thought the "L" might be Law as in Law Enforcement
I was Law Enforcement
I know --------- at this point, you should qualify for the maximum subsidy
the premium should be quite low
I'm amazed that your disability retirement doesn't include a medical benefit;
Our contract was if Industrial Disability, 50% of base pay with 2% cost of living for life
My association was greedy and wanted money now with no after thought. They nver went for medial
Just for information; how does a police officer get an "industrial" disability?
Sure, back then, medical insurance was no big deal.
By getting kicked of a 5 story building and surviving
OMG, I was thinking a "line of duty" injury would be different but I guess not in CA
"Industrial" is defined as a one time incident that prevents you from ever going back to your former position
Wow, how long were you in the hospital?
I hope someone shot the bastard that was responsible for that;
LOL Which time? 15 surgries over 5 years to put me back together and NO ONE will take me in health insurance now. Even the VA dropped me because I served in the wrong time frame to be included
Well the Affordable Care Act should fix that problem.
I took the meth freak with me. I landed on him and I survived. His meth addiction end then and there. LOL
It should and can...but which number do I tell them as income? 40 or 185?
Well, I guess that's something; at least you lived to tell the tale; unreal;
185., just follow the chart;
185 + whatever else is taxable, if anything;
The 185 was the highest taxable. Go with that?So many others only mention W2 but I only get the 1099R and can't find that specifically mentioned
It is mentioned where it says "Pension"; all pensions are supposed to be reported on 1099-Rs
No matter what they come from; even annuities get reported that way;
And we both know pension and disability and in CA Industrial disability are all very different animals
W2s are only generated from providing services - actual current work
So in your professional opinion use the highest taxable income there is in my case and I should be fine?
Well they may be different but the taxation of all of them are reported the same way on a 1099-R
They used to be reported on a W2-P, which caused even more confusion;
These days the only thing more confusing than this is Googles new terms of service
There's nothing else you can do except follow the guidance provided by the chart; who knows what might get changed down the road; but I can't imagine they are going to pick on those types of disabilities; in theory they would have to make them taxable first; I don't think that's likely.
Try working with the tax code; I couldn't deal with it full time anymore so I retired; I doubt they will ever be able to pass any significant changes in the tax code no matter who promises to simplify it; they've been saying that since I passed the CPA exam in 1970. They even have examples going back to the 1920s when it was a 1 page form, period.
It was too complicated for them then on day 1 in 1916.
TY Sir. You have given me at least an answer. I will wait for the deadline to see if cases like mine ever get specifically mentioned. For now I have a number to work from
In those days, finishing high school was a rare achievement.
Don't wait until the last minute; give them another month at the most; the coverage will be effective Jan 1, 2014.
My Grandfather never finished high school and was a bomber pilot in WWII
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Thats where my brain was going too. Cut it close and give them numbers. If I'm wrong some bean counter will contact me. I just had no desire to pay more than what was needed if I didnt have to
If I paid too much...no one will contact me ever
Careful what you say about "bean counters". >00<
I can only count to 21 and have to be naked. Thats why I go to the experts
Well, I guess you have all your fingers & toes & important equipment still