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Your answer is as I thought. How do I figure my "cost basis" since 1. The date of the deeded trust was about about 2 years ago (no money changed hands) 2. Between date of death and sale of property was only 2 1/2 months. ?
How do I determine what she paid in 1957?
Can I leave this chat and come back in about 3 hours? (going to church)
Well what I meant was, can I keep on clarifying later without leaving chat?
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Why is the tax basis the same for me as it would have been for her? I assume I can deduct the cost of improvements to the property including the house, garage and out buildings (as well as closing costs)? When I guesstimate the improvements, how can I maintain a defensible position on those costs? If 25% is maximum tax on long term? capitals gains, what would be tax on say... half the amount I mentioned? How can I show my sisters the tax on only the capital gains rather than all my tax liability?
I meant "cost basis".
I should have engaged a CPA rather than hoping 2 different lawyers would look out for my interests.
The expert you talked to above is no longer online, while I see you are, so if I may, I would like to answer your questions and clarify the issues.
For 2013, the capital gains tax rate is 0% if you are in the 10-15% tax bracket. It raises to 20% if you are in the 25, 28, or 33% tax brackets. If you are in the 35% bracket and your AGI is over $200k for single, $250k for married, the rate is 15% plus a 3.8% surtax. If you are in the 39.6% bracket, the rate is 20%.
The 25% rate that the expert above mentioned is very limited, and only for certain rental properties that were depreciated. If your mom rented the land to a farmer, land is not depreciable, so the rate should not apply if that is the only rental income.
You cannot deduct the cost of the improvements. What you have to do is to take your mom's original cost, as the expert above stated, and add the cost of any improvements to it. You are correct when you ask about proof for "guesstimates" that the expert above suggested. The IRS says if you can't prove basis, the basis is zero. However, there are many ways to prove basis! It may take some digging, but your mom would have had to get building permits to construct the home and for the improvements. The permits require the contractor or owner to list the cost of the construction, so that the assessor can more properly assess tax.
One question, however, that may make things easier - what about your father? If he owned the property and then left it to your mom when he passed away, you get a "step up" in basis to the FMV at the time he passed away. This may be easier to determine, as you can get comparable sales from the time and use those for establishing the cost basis.
The rules say that when someone gifts you property, as your mom did when she went into the nursing home, it is not an "arms-length" transaction, so you can't use that for establishing basis. You therefore get your mom's cost basis. Which, as I mentioned above, could be more than cost if your father owned it prior to your mom.
You asked about your sisters. You can allocate part of the sales price to your sisters, and they can report it on their tax return, although if the property was deeded to you, and you gave part to them, it could be construed as a gift, and there could be gift tax implications for you. Since capital gains is a flat tax on the net gain, you can easily allocate part of the tax cost to your sisters. If you calculate that the gain is 15% of the net, you can simply have your sisters pay their share. However, this would mean that you have to give them some of the sales price first.
As far as you wanting to deduct the cost of improvements, such as the garage, outbuildings, etc., these can't be deducted on your tax return. They get added to the basis of the property (which I discussed above) and reduce your capital gain.
I hope that I have added to your information and answered your additional questions. If you have any more questions or need clarification, please feel free to ask away!
Have a great weekend, or what is left of it!
The vacant farm land was purchased around 1956-57 by mom and dad from mom's parents. Dad built the house in 1957 and outbuildings a couple of years after. Dad died in 2006 leaving mom everything. You're saying I can take the "step up" cost basis from the date he died, rather than from 1957? You're saying I can use comparable sales from the date dad passed away? Then I subtract that from the recent sales price after deductions is the taxable amount? That sounds doable. What is FMV? I misunderstood "cost basis", higher is better. Does the comparable sales have to be done by a licensed appraiser or can my Realtor do it? Dad died 2-14-2006. Over what time period can comparable sales be calculated? 6 months before and after that date?
That is exactly what I am saying! If your dad owned the property and left it to your mom when he passed away, the value of it on the date he passed away in 2006 is your cost basis. This is good news for you, because what your dad paid your grandparents plus the cost to construct the house, even if you add all the improvements, is probably substantially less than the FMV (fair market value) on the date he passed away in 2006! The higher the basis, the less gain there is to pay tax on!
You could have an appraiser calculate the FMV for February 2006. But you also could use a realtor, or you could do it yourself! You go through the property sales records from the tax assessor's office or the county recorder's office, where you can come up with comparable prices for the land and house value in 2006.
Another alternative that the IRS accepts is the actual tax assessor's records. Here in Illinois, the assessor lists the FMV of the property and uses that to compute the real estate tax. I see you are in Indiana. I believe that the assessors there use a similar calculation. So you could simply pull out the assessed value in 2006, and use that. It would be very simple to do this.
Your basis for calculating the gain or loss is this value in 2006, plus any improvements that you or your mom made since then.
I hope this helps answer your questions! If you have any more please let me know.
Hopefully you got paid yesterday.
Yesterday you said:
"what about your father? If he owned the property and then left it to your mom when he passed away, you get a "step up" in basis to the FMV at the time he passed away. "
Does it make a difference they owned the property together when he died?
It may. For jointly held assets, the IRS allows that there be a tracing as to who paid for the item. Did your mom work or have a job? If your dad paid for the property, and you can show your mom didn't pay for it, you can allocate the cost to him then get a larger step-up in basis.
If they held it jointly and both paid for it, then you have to do some more legwork. You need to go find out what the cost basis was (back to what I said about recorded deeds, building permits, etc.) and your mom's basis would be 50% of the cost PLUS 50% of the Fair Market Value at the date your dad passed away.
So if your mom and dad's cost basis was $60,000, and it was worth $250,000 in early 2006 (just before real estate crashed, which is good for you!), your mom's basis would be 50% of $60k, plus 50% of $250k, for a total of $155k.
I hope this has answered your question! If you have any more, feel free to ask away!
I appreciate the Excellent rating! Yes, I did get paid, thank you very much!
Have a great week!
Mom worked outside the home very little. "Packing peaches" for 2-3 summers (probably received a W2) and housekeeping (for cash) 1 day a week for maybe 5 years. Would Social Security give me the information on her life time earnings? Or due to the fact she worked very little outside the home negate the need even pursue this? Or should I be prepared ahead of time?
So to summarize it looks like I need to wait for my Realtor to return a CMA (comparable market analysis?). Then determine the long term capital gains amount. Determine what bracket that would put me in (including a small retirement income, a small monthly VA disability and my wife and my social security checks.) On my return I would calculate capital gains rate add it to my other taxes on income and be prepared to pay the total Feb 2014. I want to add my sisters to one of my bank accounts. Then they can write there own check. Or would I run afowl of some other law?
I would think that this minimal work would not make it worth while pursuing it.You need your realtor to tell you what the CMA was for 2006. As I said, try the tax assessor's office, they should have the FMV, or assessed value, for that time.The gain reported on Form 8949 as long-term capital gain would be the sales price on Column D, and the basis (arrived at as discussed above) in Column E. The gain would be in Column H. For the Date Acquired column, B, you would use the day your dad passed away.I don't see any problem with adding your sisters to the bank account. If you have any more questions, please let me know! It has been a pleasure working with you!Roger
I've pestered you long enough. Thank you for the education. Allotting another payment to you was only fair for your excellent advice. I now go forward with confidence because you have explained most everything I need to accurately and honestly calculate the tax due (if any). You may close this out. Thank you, Jim.