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Thanks. I still require a lawyer who understands Double Tax Agreements (DTA), to 'decipher' my query. I need to understand where I am liable for tax based on the DTA.
This is a laeyer/tax related question for Europe/Netherlands. DTA's are a worldwide used bilateral agreement - so anyone versed in international taxation laws should be able to understand this.
Yes thanks. Anyone with knowledge on DTA's.
Hello, We do not have a Netherlands tax category here, and have no professionals at all in Egypt. This may just not be the best forum to find an answer to your complicated European tax question. I have alerted our EU lawyers, and if one of them has some experience that he can bring to your situation, he will reply.
Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.
Thanks. It uses the OECD model, so as long as someone has experience with reading and understanding the intent of what is written in a DTA, it should be fairly generic.
Another expert here - I found your question intriguing, and did some further research for you. The following link provides excellent information: http://download.belastingdienst.nl/itd/verdragen/iatn2008.pdf
What may be useful to you is the following:
The credit method usually applies under tax treaties for foreign withholding taxes onincome from investments such as dividends, interest and royalties.
The exemption with progression method usually applies to foreign elements of
income for income tax and corporate income tax. In principle, foreign elements of
income are exempt per individual country. The exemption method means that
reductions will be granted for Dutch tax relating to foreign income. For income tax,
the exemption is calculated per box. If the income or profits from foreign sources exceed the total income or total profits (for example because the ‘domestic income' is negative), exemption may not or may not fully be granted in the year in question for the foreign income. In such cases, the total amount of the foreign-source income respectively the ‘excess' of the exemption may be ‘carried forward' and reduction of tax may be granted in subsequent years.
This enables the Dutch tax liability to be reduced in the subsequent years.
Foreign losses decrease the Dutch tax liability in the year they are suffered and when calculating the reduction in subsequent years are deducted from the positive foreign income qualifying for exemption.
I hope this additional information is helpful to you.
Thank you and best regards,
You are so right!
Let me do some further research and confer with some colleagues of mine to see what (if anything) I can advise you.
Thanks for your patience on this.
Thanks. Just as a point of reference - this is the UK-Egypt DTA Article 22;
Elimination of Double Taxation (1) Subject to the provisions of the law of the United Kingdom regarding the allowance as a credit against United Kingdom tax of tax payable in a territory outside the United Kingdom (which shall not affect the general principle hereof): (a) Egyptian tax payable under the laws of Egypt and in accordance with this Convention, on profits, income or chargeable gains from sources within Egypt (excluding in the case of a dividend, tax payable in respect of the profits out of which the dividend is paid) shall be allowed as a credit against any United Kingdom tax computed by reference to the same profits, income
You can see here the intent clearly indicates that if I paid $70k in tax in Egypt, and UK calculated $140k in tax - I would only pay $70k in UK tax ($70k being credited).
This is a great read;
Page 12 (labelled 182) shows that Netherlands switched to credit for Article 17 (artiste's). Looking at Article 22 then, for the elimination, it doesn't fall under paragraph (2) as I pasted in my original question like income tax did (Article 15). It is actually defined in paragraph (3);
3. Further, the Netherlands shall allow a deduction from the Netherlands tax so computed for the items of income which according to (snip) Article 17 (snip) of this Agreement may be taxed in Egypt to the extent that these items are included in the basis referred to in paragraph 1. Theamount of this deduction shall be equal to the tax paid in Egypt on these items of income, but shall not exceed the amount of the reduction which would be allowed if the items of income so included were the sole items of income which are exempt from Netherlands tax under the provisions of Netherlands law for the avoidance of double taxation.
This leads me to believe that paragraph (2) originally posted is actually defining the exemption method, and thus - my earnings abroad would not be further taxed in the Netherlands, even if I was tax resident there.
I do not believe any other country in the EU/EEA does this. I believe all other countries use the credit method on income tax.
So Netherlands is a good place to live! Or the UK if you are non tax resident (based on the automatic offshore tests of the SRT) and non domiciled. Or Ireland.
I thought in my original answer to you I made it clear that your foreign earnings would not be further taxed in the Netherlands even if you were a tax resident there. Apparently, I did not, and for that, I apologize.
I read the information contained in the link you sent in your most recent reply prior to sending you my first answer.
Just for your own information, a colleague of mine (a tax and law professional) "translated" the legalese contained in your original question into plain language as follows:
1. Subject to the provisions of Articles 16, 18 and 19, salaries, wages and other similar remuneration derived by resident of a Contracting State in respect of an employment shall be taxable only in that State unless the employment is exercised in the other Contracting State. If the employment is so exercised, such remuneration as is derived therefrom may be taxed in that other State.So far, this means that in THIS situation, the income is taxable by Egypt because of this statement "unless the employment is exercised in the other Contracting State." The Egypt source income (income earned while working in Egypt) is taxed in Egypt.
2. However, where a resident of the Netherlands derives items of income which according to (snip) paragraph 1 of Article 15,(snip) of this Agreement may be taxed in Egypt and are included in the basis referred to in paragraph 1, the Netherlands shall exempt such items of income by allowing a reduction of its tax. This reduction shall be computed in conformity with the provisions of Netherlands law for the avoidance of double taxation. For that purpose the said items of income shall be deemed to be included in the total amount of the items of income which are exempt from Netherlands tax under those provisions.
The wording here "Netherlands shall exempt such items of income by allowing a reduction of its tax. This reduction shall be computed in conformity with the provisions of Netherlands law" and here, "...the said items of income shall be deemed to be included in the total amount of the items of income which are exempt from Netherlands tax..." is indicating that the income should be reported on a Netherlands return and then EITHER a foreign tax credit or a DEDUCTION is allowed.
They don't say whether reduction of its tax means a tax credit as a literal reading would imply OR that the tax is reduced by virtue of its simply being excluded (non-reportable) or a deduction from income.
Thanks Barb :)
I did read your link prior to submitting my question on JustAnswer, but didn't want to apply this generic case to the Netherlands-Egypt DTA without further review first.
Thank you very much for your de-legalised summary. I presume they use 'exemption with progression'.
I think Switzerland also use the exemption method.
It's been my pleasure to assist you. As I initially told you, your question intrigued me and I just had to research it as well as confer with two of my colleagues. It also seems you are quite savvy yourself, and your presumption is correct.
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