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You probably answered the question here but if I can ask a simpler question: I have been offered 35% of a company's equity after working almost two years as one of the first employees for no salary. Do I get taxed on the value of the 35% in the year that the shares are granted. Secondly, the value of those shares is highly debatable given the companies early stage, could be tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands depending on your point of view. The company is a limited liability company in the uk by the way. I am a US expat.
Submitted: 1 year ago.
Category: Tax
Expert:  Robin D. replied 1 year ago.

Robin D :

Hello and thank you for using Just Answer,


In most cases, if you receive property for your services, you must include its fair market value in your income in the year you receive the property. However, if you receive stock or other property that has certain restrictions that affect its value, you do not include the value of the property in your income until it has been substantially vested. (You can choose to include the value of the property in your income in the year it is transferred to you rather than the year it is substantially vested.)


Until the property becomes substantially vested, it is owned by the person who makes the transfer to you, usually your employer. However, any income from the property, or the right to use the property, is included in your income as additional compensation in the year you receive the income or have the right to use the property.
Property is substantially vested when:





  • It is transferable, or




  • It is not subject to a substantial risk of forfeiture. (You do not have a good chance of losing it.)






Property is transferable if you can sell, assign, or pledge your interest in the property to any person (other than the transferor), and if the person receiving your interest in the property is not required to give up the property, or its value, if the substantial risk of forfeiture occurs.


 

Robin D :

You stated you are an expat. In true tax terms that means you have given up your citizenship or long term residency. Do you mean to say that you are not working in the US or have you filed all documents to relinquish your citizenship?

Robin D :

If you make the choice to include when you receive, the substantial vesting rules do not apply and, generally, any later appreciation in value is not included in your compensation when the property becomes substantially vested. Your basis for figuring gain or loss when you sell the property is the amount you paid for it plus the amount you included in income as compensation.

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that's very helpful, thank you!

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