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My friend and roommate wanted a new car that would be cheaper

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My friend and roommate wanted a new car that would be cheaper for me to insure (he's only 21 with no history of insurance; I'm 45 with many years of good driving). The car had to be in my name in order to insure it. He gifted me the $17,000 to buy the car in Oct 2010. Who pays taxes/files form 709, if anyone?
Submitted: 3 years ago.
Category: Tax
Expert:  Stephen G. replied 3 years ago.

Stephen E. Grizey :

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Customer:

OK

Stephen E. Grizey :

There's no tax due, but technically he would have to file the gift tax return and after the 13,000. annual exclusion there would be $4,000. of the "gift" that would use a portion of his $1,000,000. lifetime gift tax exclusion. However,

Stephen E. Grizey :

I'm not sure that there was a gift if he has possession of the car. It seems to me that the transfer was made as a matter of convenience and there was really no intent to make a gift to you.

Customer:

Is that "legal"That's federal law; how about the state of FL, which doesn't have an income tax (gift tax, I don't know)

Stephen E. Grizey :

There's no penalty when there's no tax. There's no filing requirement in Florida as there is no gift tax.

Customer:

To be "safe" should he file the gift tax return or "take his chances" and explain the reality to an agent if audited

Stephen E. Grizey :

He's not going to get audited for a gift tax when there's no tax and in effect no gift.

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Customer:

Who keeps records of these sorts of transactions? All I have is a slip of paper from Honda showing we paid for the car in cash, in my name

Stephen E. Grizey :

Nobody. Do you think he'll be making gifts in excess of the annual exclusion that will total over $1,000,000.?

Customer:

The 1,000,000 is a lifetime exclusion?

Stephen E. Grizey :

yes

Customer:

No he'll likely never come close to that limit

Stephen E. Grizey :

But there's no gift here anyway.

Customer:

The letter I have from Honda is calleda Deposit Gift Letter

Customer:

I'm happy with that interpretation of the events; I bought the car, but it's his and solely used by him

Stephen E. Grizey :

Exactly.

Customer:

OK thank you

Stephen E. Grizey :

Plus there's no risk, no penalty even if it was deemed a gift.

Customer:

Because with the exclusion he wouldn't owe any tax, right?

Stephen E. Grizey :

Right

Customer:

Great, that's all for now.

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