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Yesterday I called the New Jersey State Tax office, and spoke

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Yesterday I called the New Jersey State Tax office, and spoke to two different agents. I told them that for a number of years I had slot winnings in Atlantic City for a number of years which were reported on form W2G. Some years were well in excess of $10,000, but no one jackpot was in excess of $10,000. My concern was that I never filed a non-resident New Jersey tax return. I do my own taxes, and SIMPLY DIDN'T KNOW. On my IRS returns the losses always offset the gains, and I have documentation to prove that. BOTH agents told me that since no 1 jackpot was over $10,000, I was not required to file a N.J. return. They each said they were POSITIVE of that information. One of the agents actactually put me on hold to double check the answer she gave me. Naturally I told them how concerned I was. Can I trust their info? I know this question sounds stupid, having called the tax bureau itself, but I want to feel absolutely comfortable. One of the agents told me, "that's why you never received a letter from us." Got an answer?
Submitted: 3 years ago.
Category: Tax
Expert:  Stephen G. replied 3 years ago.

Stephen E. Grizey :

Hi & thanks for using our service. I'll do my best to give you a complete & accurate answer. Please ask me to clarify anything you don't understand.

Stephen E. Grizey :

I'm afraid that I haven't reached the same conclusion in reviewing the law through 9/09.

Stephen E. Grizey :

It appears that the $10,000. exclusion that you are speaking of only related to Lottery winnings.

Stephen E. Grizey :

Specifically, as long as any one lottery prize doesn't exceed $10,000., the prizes are specifically not taxable, no matter how much all the prizes under $10,000. total.

Stephen E. Grizey :

With respect to other gambling, legal or illegal, casino, horse racing, whatever, the rules allow you to deduct your losses & enter the net winnings (you can't deduct NET losses) on a NJ non-resident return.

Stephen E. Grizey :

Here's the link to what I've found so far; read the section on the $10,000. carefully as it can be confusing, but it only relates to the lottery unless there is some further modification after 9/09. I'll check that now.

Stephen E. Grizey :

I can only imagine that compliance is pretty low for non-residents unless they get a gambling winnings 1099.

Customer :

On your last line, do you mean that very few non-residents comply unless they get a 1099 or letter from N.J.?

Stephen E. Grizey :

Yes.

Stephen E. Grizey :

Here's an excerpt from the 2010 NJ Non-Resident Income tax Form instruction booklet:

Stephen E. Grizey :

Gross Income includes the following:♦ Wages and other compensation♦ Interest and dividends♦ Earnings on nonqualified withdrawals from qualified state tuition program accounts, including the New Jersey Better Educational Savings Trust Program (NJBEST) accounts♦ Net profits from business, trade, or profession♦ Net gains or income from sale or disposition of property♦ Pensions, annuities, and IRA withdrawals♦ Net distributive share of partnership income♦ Net pro rata share of S corporation income♦ Net rental, royalty, and copyright income♦ Net gambling winnings, including New Jersey Lottery winnings from prize amounts exceeding $10,000♦ Alimony♦ Estate and trust income♦ Income in respect of a decedent♦ Prizes and awards, including scholarships and fellowships (unless they satisfy the conditions on page 24)♦ Value of residence provided by employer♦ Fees for services rendered, including jury dutyNew Jersey gross income also includes the following which are not subject to Federal income tax:♦ Interest from obligations of states and their political subdivisions, other than New Jersey and its political subdivisions♦ Income earned from foreign employment♦ Certain contributions to pensions and tax-deferred annuities♦ Employee contributions to Federal Thrift Savings Funds, 403(b), 457, SEP, or any other type of retirement plan other than 401(k) Plans

Stephen E. Grizey :

You will see that the gambling winnings conforms to what I located related to 2009.

Stephen E. Grizey :

the other factor is that there is no NJ Non-resident filing requirement if your gross income is less than $10,000 if Single or $20,000 if married filing a joint return.

Stephen E. Grizey :

That will probably eliminate most gamblers.

Stephen E. Grizey :

So, I'm confident that we now have the correct information; what you do with it is an entirely different matter.

Customer :

I have the same booklet, and it says, "#5 - Gambling winnings from New Jersey sources ssuch as winnings from a casino or racetrack located in N.J., including N.J. lottery winnings from prize amounts exceeding $10,000".

Customer :

Since I never received a 1099 in all these years, and there were no actual gains, should I be concerned. Especially after speaking with N.J. Tax agents?

Stephen E. Grizey :

Where is that located in the book; you can see that's not what it says in the excerpt . I copied.

Stephen E. Grizey :

Your quote says lottery winnings too, must exceed 10,000.

Customer :

Page 15 - line by line instructions - far right column - #5

Stephen E. Grizey :

I found a specific reference in the law exempting all lottery winnings under $10,000 from NJ tax; of course it would taxed federally

Stephen E. Grizey :

Is it the non-resident booklet?

Stephen E. Grizey :

It is the same thing anyway just worded slightly differently

Customer :

Am I in BIG trouble?

Stephen E. Grizey :

By the way, the law says NET gambling winnings & asks you to disclose the gross winnings & losses to get to the NET, but then says it isn't required; so I don't know who would do it.............

Stephen E. Grizey :

Form W2G- was there federal & NJ withholding? NJ withholds @ 3% if they are required to withhold; there are other rules re withholding & slots are exempted; I think just table games are subject to the withholding

Stephen E. Grizey :

So did you report the winnings on your federal returns & deduct the losses on Schedule A?

Customer :

Yes - every year, except for one year where the net win was about 2600. I paid both federal and Maryland tax on that. That was in 2005.

Stephen E. Grizey :

Was there any withholding from federal or NJ?

Customer :

No - and by the way, my last trip to Atlantic City was 2008.

Stephen E. Grizey :

So you mainly played the slots? I see that's what you said.

Customer :

Yes - only slots.

Stephen E. Grizey :

So why are you thinking about this now?

Stephen E. Grizey :

You must be good at video poker or have some outstanding luck to beat the slots that consistently

Stephen E. Grizey :

I can't do anywhere near that well in vegas

Stephen E. Grizey :

Anyway if you have losses to offset the gains, it isn't any problem

Customer :

I was fooling around with Turbo Tax not using my real name, and based on the info they gave me, they wanted to fill out a N.J. tax form. As I said, I've always done my own taxes, and simply wasn't aware that I should file. That's when I started looking into matters. I've had reportable winnings since 1994.

Stephen E. Grizey :

NJ says you can report the net & you'd be under the general rule of not having 10,000 of income or 20,000 if you are married

Stephen E. Grizey :

Yes but in your question you said your losses offset your winnings on your federal returns?

Customer :

From what I understand, that $10,000 INCLUDES income from ANYWHERE.

Stephen E. Grizey :

No way, that can't be right for non-residents

Customer :

Yes, in all years but one, and I paid on a net of about 2600 to the Fed and Maryland - that was in 2005. Unfortunately I believe that "from anywhere" to be right, and the turbo tax form put my wages on there but showed 0 attributal to N,J.

Stephen E. Grizey :

OK, I just checked the instructions & you are correct it is everywhere, but what happens in the form is that you get a ration of your NJ income to your total income & then that is used to compute the % of deductions you are allowed against your NJ income; If your net gambling winnings are -0- or less, there's no tax; filing would be an exercise in futility

Customer :

So you think there's no reason for concern, based on: 1. Low filing compliance by non-residents, and: 2. no tax is really owed, and 3. in all those years, I never got a 1099 or letter from N.J. Tax.?

Stephen E. Grizey :

I wouldn't file, technically everyone who walked away a winner in Atlantic city would have to file a tax return. Most never report a net winnings on their federal return.

Stephen E. Grizey :

It's crazy.

Stephen E. Grizey :

I only can say #2

Stephen E. Grizey :

#1 isn't an excuse for not filing;

Customer :

Yes, but W-2G's are sent to both the state and the fed.

Stephen E. Grizey :

#3 doesn't apply because their rules exempt withholding from slots

Stephen E. Grizey :

Yes, but there's no tax due; so what are you going to do go back to 199whatever it was & file NJ returns through 2008?

Stephen E. Grizey :

All that to pay no tax;

Customer :

What do you mean that #3 doesn't apply because their rules exempt witholding from slots?

Stephen E. Grizey :

It's an accountants relief act; money for fees with no risk - love it - I think I'll moved to NJ & set up shop outside the casinos

Customer :

So you think I should leave a sleeping dog lie?

Stephen E. Grizey :

According to the law, there's no NJ withholding on slot winnings

Customer :

And from I'm reading, it seems there would be THOUSANDS of non-residents who don't file annually

Stephen E. Grizey :

I will only say, that based on the information you furnished & what we've found in the law, I wouldn't file because there's no tax due or such a minor amount it isn't worth the postage

Stephen E. Grizey :

but who's counting, that's why I'm already in my car heading for Atlantic City

Customer :

By the way, if they were to contact me, I have ALL the records back to 1994. So I would only be guilty of failing to file no tax due. And by the way, I went to Penna. casinos from 2008 to 2010, and had reportable winnings. Losses offset the winnings, so I'm filing 2 years late, and the late filing fee is only $5

Stephen E. Grizey :

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I'll be happy to answer any follow-up questions you may have.

Stephen E. Grizey :

You are literally one in a million!

Stephen E. Grizey :

Thanks for your contribution to reducing the Federal deficit!

Customer :

What do you mean by your last post - one in a million?

Stephen E. Grizey :

That you out of a million of the rest of us, are concerned about filing a tax return on gambling winnings in a state you don't live in!

Customer :

Well, that's the way I am - I like everything done properly.

Stephen E. Grizey :

I understand completely; it was a compliment; I wish I had a few more clients like you!

Customer :

Bye for now. How do I contact you if I have further questions?

Stephen E. Grizey :

We are use to being the "bad guys" & the bearer of bad news'

Stephen E. Grizey :

Just ask for me in opening your question; Steve G. will do it. thanks again..

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