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We were audited in June for our dependents. We filed jointly

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We were audited in June for our dependents. We filed jointly and claimed our 5 children and my elderly grandmother who lives with us full time. During the audit, the auditor handed me the calculater and had me figure my own math based on my grandmothers social security income. Ultimately I was handed the Income Tax Examination Changes Form, and ushered out the door quickly. Now owing over 2200 dollars back for our child tax credit. I did not think the child tax credit had anything to do with my elderly grandmother. I have been trying to reach someone at the IRS office, but no one ever returns my calls. The Tax Advocate line won't talk with me because I haven't gone through the proper channels. We need advice.
Submitted: 4 years ago.
Category: Tax
Expert:  Lev replied 4 years ago.

It is not clear from your explanation how the child tax credit is related to claiming your grandmother as a dependent.

I would appreciate if you give more information about your situation.

It would be helpful if you provide amounts for each line on your tax form 1040.

Also please specify for which tax year were you audited.

 

Customer: replied 4 years ago.

I will try to provide this additional information. The audit was for year 2008. Myself, my husband claimed our 5 children, ages 1 through 7 at that time and my 78 year old grandmother. When we received the original audit paperwork it stated it was for dependent verification. For the audit interview I was told to bring all of the dependents Birth Certificates, Social Security Cards, School Records for the school age kids, and doctors records for the younger ones, as well as my grandmothers drivers license. Also bank statements for us and my grandmother.

 

During the audit, the auditor verified all of the records. She said it all looked good and all seemed fime. She walked away for a few moments and came back to ask about my grandmothers social security check. I said, yes, she draws social security and pulled out her social security statement. She then took one of my grandmothers bank statements (from 2007) and one of ours (from 2008), handed me a calculator and a pencil and had me fill out Worksheet 3-1 on page 33 of Publication 17, The book-Your Federal Income Tax. Having never done this before and using only 1 months bank statements, the answers were very roughly estimated. My grandmother makes approximately 1000 dollars as month in social security, but does not contribute any of her money to our household where she lives with us. She does pay for her own auto insurance and health insurance premiums. She does not buy her food, toiletries, or most of her prescriptions. She saves her money or sends it to various other relatives or church causes. After figuring the worksheet, the auditor hit a few keys on her keyboard and said, "Oh, I thought it was going to work out for you." She printed out some papers and told me to call the 800 number to appeal, and ushered me out the door.

 

Our 2008 1040 form is as follows:

6d-8

7-46,870

22-46,870

33-2,500

36-2,500

37-44,370

38-44,370

40-17,066

41-27,304

42-27,200

43-104

44-11

46-11

56-11

57-0

63-0

64-3,315

68-4,989

72-8,304

73-8,304

74a-8,304

 

The Income Tax Examination Changes Worksheet which we were given at the end of the audit FORM 4549 Lines as follows showing what we owe back

1a-Exemptions-3,500.00

2Total Adjustments-3,500

3Taxable Income Per Return or as Previously Adjusted-787.00

4Corrected Taxable Income-2713.00

5Tax-271.00

7Corrected Tax Liability-271.00

8 Less Credits-a Child Tax Credit-271.00

9 Balance-0

11 Total Corrected tax Liability-0

13-Adjustments to Additional Child Tax Credit-2,271.00

14 Deficiency-2,271

16 Balance Due-2,271

19c Interest-114.79

19e Amount Due-2385.79

 

I guess I do not see how claiming my grandmother would have affected the child tax credit that we owe back. Hopefully these numbers help. I have been unable to get through to the IRS office and they will not return my phone calls. My husband lost his job May 24th, and was thankfully able to find another job in a months time, but at much lower pay. We are facing the potential loss of our cars and home, this is impossible right now and seems not right. Thanks for your input, please let me know if you need more information.

-XXXXX XXXXX

 

 

Expert:  Lev replied 4 years ago.

Dear XXXXX,

 

If you were file a joint tax return without five dependents:

gross income from wages $46,870

student loan interest deduction $2500

adjusted gross income $44,370

itemized deduction $17,066

personal exemptions $24500

taxable income $2,804

tax liability $281

child tax credit - line 52 - $281

additional child tax credit - line 66 - $4719

Here is how your tax return would look

 

adding your grandmother as a dependent will affect

personal exemptions $28000

taxable income $0

tax liability $0

child tax credit - line 52 - $0

additional child tax credit - line 66 - $5000

Here is how your tax return would look

 

So - the difference from claiming your grandmother is about $300

Most likely an auditor made a mistake by disallowing you additional child tax credit.

 

Please verify following items:

I feel that you are asking about 2007 tax return - http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/f1040--2007.pdf - not 2008 - please verify...

64 - $3,315 - that is your withholding from W2 - correct?

Did you make any contributions into 401k plan at work?

 

Customer: replied 4 years ago.

Oh my, I made a big mistake when giving you the above information! I do apologize...I gave you our 2007 return info, but I should have given you our 2008 info which is as follows:

6d-8

7-51333

22-51333

36-2500

37-48833

38-48833

40-21620

41-27213

42-28000

43-0

56-0

61-0

62-3234

66-5000

71-8234

72-8234

73a-8234

no 401K contributions at work. 3234 is the amount of income tax withheld from W-2

I sincerely XXXXX XXXXX this mistake on my part. I am so flustered about the whole situation and one of my children was yelling at me the whole time I was typing that up earlier.

Expert:  Lev replied 4 years ago.

Dear XXXXX,

I updated information.

Here how your tax return should look if you do not claim your grandmother as a dependent - refund $7963

and here with claiming your grandmother - refund $8234

 

Please verify if you received recovery rebate credit for your small child - during 2008.

 

So the difference would be close to our original assessment ~$300 and most likely an auditor made a mistake by disallowing you additional child tax credit.

 

If you generally agree with the auditor - you may contact a superwisor and poin to the mistake.

If you disagree that claiming your grandmother was disallowed - you need to appeal.

You may use a worksheet from IRS publication 17 page 33 - http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/p17--2008.pdf

or IRS publication 501 page 20 - http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/p501--2008.pdf

and make your determination.

 

While professional help is not required - it is helpful in many situations.

You might need a local CPA or Enrolled Agent to represent you with the IRS

 

If you are a low income taxpayer - you may apply for help to Taxpayer advocate service - there is no charge if you qualify.

1-877-777-4778 or TTY/TTD: 1-800-829-4059.

A list of Taxpayer Advocate Service offices can also be found in Publication 1546 - http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1546.pdf

The taxpayer can also file Form 911, Request for Taxpayer Advocate Service Assistance, with the Taxpayer Advocate Service, or request that an IRS employee complete Form 911 on his/her behalf.

 

Let me know if you need any help.

 

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