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Within the confines of an Illinois formed LLC, what are the

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Within the confines of an Illinois formed LLC, what are the advantages, if any, of distributing Dividends to shareholders in lieu of increases on Profit Sharing or Plain W-2 Income?? Basically, whether it's Regular Earnings(Bi-Weekly pay), Bonus or a Dividend Declaration, all the income must pass through to the individual shareholders tax return, correct???
Submitted: 5 years ago.
Category: Tax
Expert:  Ed Johnson replied 5 years ago.

DearCustomer

 

You are correct in your original assumptions. However, if you pay a partnership or single proprietorship on W-2, you create a sitatuation where they may actually pay more tax, and the LLC may end up paying tax on those earnings as well...sort of like double taxation. This is one of the reasons the LLC form of corporation was created.

 

When you pay shareholders on W-2, you are treating this as a C corp or as an LLC which has elected to be taxed as a corporation. The C Corp model is to pay corporate officers on W-2.

 

Its not all the income that passes through, it is the NET Profits that pass through. The partners only pay self employment tax on the net profits.

 

For an LLC single proprietorship or partnership, the W-2 is not appropriate because it creates a situation where some of the revenues are double taxed, and a sitaution where soem of the share holders have more complicated tax returns. They have already had the employee share of the ss tax withheld, and the LLC would have paid the employer contribution, now on the shared earnings not included in W-2, they have to pay se tax on the passed through profits.

 

The final word is that the IRS states that partners can not be treated as employees being paid on W-2. Because of ingnorance and convenience, many LLC's are doing this, but it is incorrect. When audited the IRS will dis allow the treatment. Only in about 50% of the cases does a tax court rule against the IRS position in this matter.

 

This is all because many rules in the regulations are based on payroll. For example, manufactures and domestic production credits, to name just two.

 

The IRS collects more tax, if you treat partners as employees rather than if they are treated according to regulation as partners and owners who pay SE tax.

 

References:

 

Rev. Rul. 69-184 that a Partner should not be treated as an employee for purposes of compensation.

 

Section 6694(b)

 

 

Customer: replied 5 years ago.
The question regarding Dividends was never answered; therfore I respectively DECLINE accepting this answer.
Expert:  Ed Johnson replied 5 years ago.

DearCustomer

 

My answer, respectively applied to all the categories implied and expressed in your question. YOu are correct, I did not mention the word dividends. That was an over site as I attempted to give you the intricate sequences regarding treatment of the payments.

 

IT does not matter if it is dividends, net profits, profit sharing, etc. If you issue a W-2 to partners you are treating them as employees for compensation. Compensation is defined by the IRS to be profit sharing, dividends, bonuses, and so forth. All of it is compensation, and if you include it on a W-2, you are treating the partners as employees, which is expressly prohibited by the IRS.

 

My detailed response, respectfully, XXXXX XXXXX give you the whys and wherefores of the IRS position. I had hoped you got a very thorough response.

 

next I suppose you will not accept because I misspelled a word or two.

 

Best of luck to you. But please do check my credentials, and notice my association with the TAP.

 

 

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