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Beam, joist, angle iron size ? , wood, steel, lvl - span 12

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Beam, joist, angle iron size ? , wood, steel, lvl - span 12 feet, total weight 22,500 (support half - 11,250) evenly distributed
angle iron size on other half of load bolted to concrete wall,
joist size with 8 foot span , 16 inch on center
Submitted: 2 years ago.
Category: Structural Engineering
Expert:  StructuralEng replied 2 years ago.

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StructuralEng : I'm not quite clear. What is the span and the actual distributed load?
Customer:

The beam size request refers to the minimum size of beam required between two posts with a span of 12 feet that would carry half of the total weight of 22,500 lbs. There joist size refers to the minimum size joist required to carry the same load that are 16 inch OC. The angle iron minimum size refers to the minimum size of angle iron required to support the other end of the load of 22,500 lbs.

Customer:

The load is 4 inches of concrete on top of a plywood base on the joist structure

StructuralEng : Let me catch up.
StructuralEng : The angle as a post or beam?
StructuralEng : Is this two separate questions?
Customer:

It is one question with three parts. What are the structural requirements for this problem. I want to build a deck. It will have joists that go from a concrete wall to a beam that is on two posts. The posts are 12 feet apart. what size is the minimum required to to carry half the total load of 22, 500.


 


What are the minimum size of joists that are spanning 8 feet from concrete wall to beam between posts. What are the minumum size of a piece of angle iron bolted onto the concrete wall.

StructuralEng : That's quite a bit for one question
StructuralEng : How did you arrive at the load of 22,500 pounds?
Customer:

The load is 4 inches of concrete on top of a plywood base on the joist structure, 8' x 15 = 120 square feet. Added 30 square feet for triangles at ends of rectangle, times 150 lbs per square foot.


I have signed up for the unlimited questions if these are outside the one question issue

Customer:

is an answer forthcoming or is this it?

StructuralEng : I apologize for the delay. I had to take an urgent phone call
StructuralEng : So the one beam is spanning 12' between posts with a 1.5' cantilever on each end?
Customer:

yes


 

StructuralEng : Where did the 150 psf come from?
StructuralEng : Was that 50 psf for the concrete and 100 psf for the LL?
Customer:

that is the weight of 4" of one square foot of concrete (450 lbs per cubic foot)

Customer:

live load would be typical for a deck, but it is 150 psf for the dead load


 

StructuralEng : Oh...no. Concrete is only 150 pounds per cubic foot.
StructuralEng : Is this a residential deck?
Customer:

ok, that is not what i thought, lets go with 50 psf,


 


It is a residential deck


 

StructuralEng : You can plan for a W6x20 beam with 8' joists being angle 4x4x3/8 @ 16" o.c.
StructuralEng : The ledger angle can be the same, you'll just need to have the bolt pattern designed to support the joists
StructuralEng : If you could rate my answer, I would appreciate it
Customer:

I was looking for wood sizes first, steel second


 

Customer:

of course, the angle iron would have to be steel

StructuralEng : Give me a few more mon
StructuralEng : Min
Customer:

np

StructuralEng : 2x10 joists @ 16" o.c. Southern pine no. 2 pressure treated.
StructuralEng : Will need some kind of barrier between wood and concrete
StructuralEng : Beam can be triple 2x12 southern pine No. 1 pressure treated
StructuralEng : If you could rate my answer, I would appreciate it
Customer:

will do, thanx

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