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I need to replace a wood beam that is a stacked 2 2x12 with

 

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I need to replace a wood beam that is a stacked 2 2x12 with plywood spacers. The beam will span approx 56" and will support 3 - 2 x 10 2nd floor wood floor joists. The 2 x 10 floor joist carrly floor above and a 8' tall non load bearing wall for a closet. The span of the floor joists is 15'4" approx. Due to revisions in cabintry, I need to replace the beam with a beam no taller than 6.5". I can accomodate wider than existing 3.5" width if that helps.

What are my options?

 



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Submitted: 291 days and 6 hours ago.
Category: Structural Engineering
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Expert:  StructuralEng replied 291 days and 6 hours ago.


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StructuralEng :

Are the 2x12's laid flat? Is the 12" dimension vertical or horizontal?

StructuralEng :

The only thing this beam carries is floor joists?

StructuralEng :

If you can get a 4x8 Southern Pine No. 2 and rip the depth to 6.5", that will work for you.

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Can you tell me what you expected?

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I gave you the beam size, with the lumber species and grade that you requested in the question. Can you tell me what more you were expecting?

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I can't really answer a question that wasn't asked and it makes no sense to provide more information than necessary

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Expert:  StructuralEng replied 291 days and 3 hours ago.

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Expert:  StructuralEng replied 291 days and 3 hours ago.

StructuralEng : HiStructuralEng : I can helpStructuralEng : Let me read closerJACUSTOMER-1w9m3cyr- : JACUSTOMER-1w9m3cyr- :

I am not sure you are getting my reply. Do you have a suggetsion or need more information?

StructuralEng :

I can finally see it


StructuralEng :

Sorry for that. I've been trying to view this for the last 30 minutes. There are sometimes problems with the chats.


StructuralEng :

Before we get started I'd like to point out that a Professional Engineer's standard of care typically includes a site visit to assess field conditions and get an overall understanding of the structure. This can obviously not be accomplished through the internet. The information provided here is meant for informational purposes only (general sizing and budgeting) and is based on the information provided by you. The information should be verified by a professional engineer who can visit the site to ensure that potentially important information has not been overlookedor omitted.


StructuralEng :

Are the 2x12's laid flat? Is the 12" dimension vertical or horizontal?

StructuralEng :

The only thing this beam carries is floor joists?


StructuralEng :

If you can get a 4x8 Southern Pine No. 2 and rip the depth to 6.5", that will work for you.


StructuralEng :

I apologize again for the delay in response due to the chat problem.


StructuralEng :

If you've found my answer helpful, please click the green
"accept" button. I'll be happy to answer additional questions
on the topic. If you could provide feedback, I would appreciate it.

StructuralEng :

Can you tell me what you expected?


StructuralEng :

I gave you the beam size, with the lumber species and grade that you requested in the question. Can you tell me what more you were expecting?


StructuralEng :

I can't really answer a question that wasn't asked and it makes no sense to provide more information than necessary


JACUSTOMER-1w9m3cyr- :

Hello, I am a customer service representative posting on behalf of the customer who is unable to view the chat. Please click on the 'Switch to Q&A' link at the top of the page to change the format of the page from Live Chat to Q&A so that the customer can access your reply and also please repost your reply as a new answer or info request. Thank you.

Customer replied 291 days and 1 hours ago.

Hopefully this works......

I am trying to answer your questions

The existing 2 x 12's are mounted vertically.

They carry floor joists and a non load bearing closet wall.

I could easily build a beam of greater thickness at 6.5" tall from a combination of multiple 2 x 8 and plywood if that would work.

Thanks

Please know I was not dissatisfied with you but frustrated with the system

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Expert:  StructuralEng replied 291 days and 1 hours ago.

Were you able to view my response above? I gave a beam size (ripping a 4x8 (3.5x7.25 actual) down to a 3.5x6.5). You could also use two 2x8's ripped down to 6.5" deep with a 1/2" sheet of plywood between them. Use Southern Pine No. 2.

Customer replied 291 days ago.

I did see your previous answer but I wanted to answer the questions about the orientation of the 2x12's and what they carried.

So to be clear, 3.5" wide by 6.6" high southern pine #2 with solid plywood spacer is sufficient to carry the load? I question because original construction was 2 - 2 x 12's.

Was original a gross overkill?

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Expert:  StructuralEng replied 291 days ago.

The original was overkill. Probably not on purpose, it's just common to use double 2x12 for headers. I also don't know the species or grade, but Hem-fir has only about 2/3 the capacity of comparably graded Southern Pine.

Customer replied 290 days and 20 hours ago.

Thanks, XXXXX XXXXX been very helpful. One last question. I assume southern pine is readily available at better lumber stores. If not, what is a good alternate?

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Expert:  StructuralEng replied 290 days and 20 hours ago.

Doug-Fir Larch, but it would have to be No. 1.

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