José magadán, spanish attorney
You have two ways to defend your self
The first one its to demand in court the deposit if they do not give you back at the time you go
But this way its no good enought
The second way its not to leave the propiety until they give you the deposit
The idea its to leave there some cheap of your things and treth them not to leave the propiety until they pay the deposit back
If they do not let you go in you could treth them to call the police for constarins
They are in the worst position in this case, you can denounce them in the tax office also because I am sure they do not declare the money and its black money to the gobermet
So, if you treath them to stay as they pay you back and treath to call the police if they do not let you go into they will have a hard problem
Thats the way I recomend you, toi take out your propieties to the another room and left there only cheap things in order to asume they could stole something
I am sure that if you play this way they will give your money back in no time
I will be here if needed
Please let me know how the matter goes on and I will keep on advice you
Ok, thanks José
Be sure that in the fight I am telling you to go in the worst part is for they for sure
I think I've understood your response but is that the only way? What about the leaving dates. Would I be better off to hang on until October 10th and get all my money back
Am, so you mean to threaten with the police is the better option legally? It seems a bit extreme..
And you mean that legally, the law is on my side not theirs...
You have to keep calm and tell them that you have been telling with your attorney and he has told you that they have to give your deposit back as the same time you go
So, if they do not do it you will not go....
Right ok. I hear ya
If they try to change the key tell them you will denounce them for constrains
may be its a no nice game but its the game you need to play
They will be in a no way site, if they do not give your money back nobody coul get your room or you will denounce contraints
But you have to leave there your clothes and some propieties, cheap ones.
Ok, man I really hadn't envisaged all of this, you know José. In my near 10 year experience this is the worst by far. Greed is an awful thing and so is dishonesty. I have the email to say where the landlady said that I'd have my own private bathroom.. It's just been a nightmare
Well you know, if they want to play hard you have to do it hard
If you retreat now they will take advantge
So, be rude with they and let them know you know to play hard
I know. I hear ya. Don't get mad, get even or maybe get mad and get even. I know too that they will definitely take advantage if I do retreat.
Talk about the tax office also, I am sure they do not declares the money earned
thay will be in the worst position now
What police exactly could I call that would be on my side for sure and not consider me wasting there time.. Are there two kinds of police in Barcelona or something. If they really were to have to come, God forbid who would you recommend?
And in the future ask for a writting contract, ever
Ya, I have my doubts that they are declaring their tax for me being a tenant here.
Well, Only and only in the case they change the key and forbid you to go into, you can call the mossos de escuadra
I hear ya and I nearly always have had a contract. And I was going to go via a letting agency but I figured it'd be cheaper to cut out the middle-person. But here I am chatting with an attorney all because I had no contract really
As long as you could get into your room the police has here anything to do
The mossos de escuadra ok and can they be called on 112? Yeah I mean I've had no key to my room and they said they'd put up a curtain for privacy-as it's a transparent stained glass window but that was another lie. Along with the fact that they've no bin in the bathroom and they said they'd put one there-it's a normal thing like. I put a plastic bag there for my stuff but the house of the fusspots removed it and twas then I found out for sure that they all use it and apparently didn't want to see my clensing face wipes in the bag and so this is the only bathroom I've ever been in or house that I've rented where I've had to use the bin in my own bedroom for what should go into the bathroom bin
Yeah its a problem, without a contract the legal security is reduced to minimun
I guess I should be grateful for the bin in my bedroom.. That was a late addition
I recomend you to ask for a legal contract ever
As you write exactly what you want and demand in contract you will be sure to get it...
Good advice José and I'll definitely take it on board for the next time. Once bitten, twice as shy..
So re. the dates. Do you think that I should hang on until October 10th?
I think if I moved September 30th it'd mess things up entirely re. the months rent that I've paid.. I really don't want to stay here until October 10th but I don't want to loose out either. I did give them 3 weeks notice like. It's as much as I could and the circumstances are exceptional
The chance to win on time will be on them I mean I am sure that they will surrender but I do not know how time it will need
But mossos de escuadra can be contacted on 112 ya?
As more clever they be sooner they will give your money back
But if they are stupid they could take more time
Yes mossos could be contacted in 112 Only in case they do not let you go inside
Well, I wouldn't say they're stupid but neither am I and in this case their not going to get the upper hand. I've gotten the advice of an attorney now-so thank you José. I appreciate the chat and you definitely know what you're talking about
Be sure I know and be sure that if you play the game hard you will win
They have more to lose if you do
Ok, I hear ya. I'll be tough.
Its the way
Have you anything else to add? I've coped and pasted all of this content into a Word document so that I can read over it before I confront them
They are sure you will g and no demand your money
Let them know they are wrong
But I've to shower and breakfast shortly
No you do not have to
I hear ya. Hopefully morality and justice will prevail. I'm determined that it will
What are they going to do if you have a 3 hours shower?
call the police ?
They can do anything....
Its the hard game
No, no José. Chill dude. It's all good. My showers have never been longer than 15 minutes each.
rules has the value that the punishment has
I just always wake up with a shower. It's just them that have made it into a giant problem.
No way to punish you no rules value
Nobody can force you not to take that shower
Its you that considerer that you should do it because are the rules of the game
But for €350 per month including bills, I lived in a massive double ensuite in Valencia with other students for 7 months. I'm paying €30 more here and I'm getting way way less bang for my buck so to speak. It's disgraceful
But the rules has been changed or you never accet them in this way
So, do not play with their rules any more
I've always had my own double ensuite bedroom or double bedroom with private bathroom-which was for me and me alone and €350 was the general price. So this is daylight robbery here in the fusspot house as far as I can see. Being told that I can't bake something in the oven after two days in a row doing so, it's just mind boggling. I know their loaded and not as stuck for money as they claim to be and for €380 per month, I've been incurring very little expenses on their behalf
I used the washing machine twice only and I couldn't even see any actual washing tablets or detergent so I'd to use washing up liquid. I wash the cutlery myself. I've no tv in my room. I listen to the radio and use my laptop-their Wi-Fi but I don't overuse it. I've had one Skype conversation since September 10th cas their always in the house and I can't talk candidly
And what could they do if you do not accep this rules?
So I'll shower and not apologise for it.
Let them know that it will be easier for they to give your money back... or will declare of the begining of the hard times game
Thay will have to decide....
Ach it sounds like someone else is in the shower now anyway. That's just typical..
Now you have to let them know...
And enjoy your shower
Thank you for consult us
Am, well re. the rules sure they've given out about me using the shower already-if I don't shower first thing in the morning every morning, I feel that my day hasn't gotten off to a good start. They gave out about the oven use
Ah sure they've had it all their own way.
Thank you for chatting to me and I will definitely recommend justanwer.com to others and you specifically if I encounter others like me re. renting or real estate problems
Do not let them to put stupid rules that they can no force to be obey
Thank you Sir
Well I'm a Madam actually-Aileen is a girl's name. So Madam or Ms.
But thank you sir.. I know you didn't mean any offence!
I appreciate that
I really miss it Sorry
No harm done. And in theory if I do need you're help again. Can I just enter the forum, log in and chat again.. And I mean I appreciate your help. Forget about the sir thing. You weren't to know...
Well, you could keep my profile in your favorites
And contact me very fast
I used to be on line on the site, no problems to contact me in a fast way
Excellent. Job well done José Sir. All respect and credit to you.
Have a good day. Enjoy the rest of your weekend
You too for sure
And remember, the value of the rules its the one you want to give them
Have a good day
Do not let them to destroyed your day
Am, sorry one thing. I don't see how to add you to my favourites. I've clicked on the link that you gave there but I don't see an option for favourites...
Every browser has different ways
You could copy and paste the link in word domument and yeah
I use the esplorer and its easy to do
No idea really how it works in others browsers
Ok, fair enough. I'll work it out... It's just that I'd to borrow my mothers credit card number for the €46 late last night to be honest. My expenses are sky high at the moment. (I'm here on Erasmus) And I can't afford to spend more €
Finally I gently ask for a positive rate of my service, if you do not do it the site does not pay me :(
But I'll figure it out. Thank you again. Buon dia
Of course dude. That was a given. The highest rating I can give. I was going to do that anyway once I'd signed out of this chat. You deserve all the € you can possibly earn sincerely...Keep up the good work... Turn that frown upside down : )
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