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Lane
Lane, JD,CFP, MBA, CRPS
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Experience:  Law Degree, specialization in Tax Law and Corporate Law, CFP and MBA, Providing Financial, Social Security & Tax advice since 1986
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I tired from military reserves 22 years from 1960 to around

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i tired from military reserves 22 years from 1960 to around 1990 had to wait till 65 to draw . payed into social security my own business for seventeen years as well, also work for us government, when i went to draw that cut my social security from 1200. to around 300. some thing . Why ??
Submitted: 6 months ago.
Category: Social Security
Expert:  Lane replied 6 months ago.

Hi,

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Please don't shoot the messenger here. ... This is called the Windfall Elimination provision (WEP)

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When you receive a pension from a system that did not pay into Social Security there is a formula that's used to reduce the Social Security amount (UNLESS you had a full thirty years in the Social SEcurity system)

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There are three pieces to your AIME (Average Indexed Monthly Earnings) that SSA uses to calculat your benefit amount.

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For 2016 these portions are the first $856, the amount between $856 and $5,157, and the amount over $5,157.

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Normally, PIA Full retirement benefit - called Primary Insurance Amount) will be the sum of:

(a) 90 percent of the first $856 of his/her average indexed monthly earnings, plus

(b) 32 percent of his/her average indexed monthly earnings over $856 and through $5,157, plus

(c) 15 percent of his/her average indexed monthly earnings over $5,157.

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But the WEP reduces the 90% component to between 40% and 90% for those that have more than 20 years (graduated between 20 years in the SS system and 29).

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For those with les than 20 years in the system, that 90% component is reduced to 40%

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You can read more about that here: https://www.ssa.gov/planners/retire/wep.html

Expert:  Lane replied 6 months ago.

I hope this has helped. … Please let me know if you have any questions at all.

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And again, sorry to be the messenger

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Thank you!

Lane

I have a law degree, (Juris Doctorate), with concentration in Tax Law, Estate law & Corporate law, an MBA, with specialization in financial accounting & tax, a BBA, and CFP & CRPS designations, as well - I’ve been providing financial, Social Security/Medicare, estate, corporate, non-profit, and tax advice, since 1986.