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I have a 4.5 kw kohler generator model 4.5ckm21-rv spec 10151,

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I have a 4.5 kw kohler generator model 4.5ckm21-rv spec 10151, serial 198784. I am replacing the points. The manual calls for .017 to .023, then check timing with a light for 23 BTDC. I have rebuilt the carb, checked compression, replaced plugs, points and cap and tuned on a load bank. It still runs rough at idle with some missing. It runs great with any load.

I just notice a plackard on the generator that lists 4 models with .020 as the point gap,
but for the 4.5ckm21-rv it says .012 to .018. I tried .017 and it runs better at idle.
This has the KT17 engine. Everything I find on that engine says time to 23 degrees BTDC, which for my engine turns out to be .020.

Where should I set the points on this thing??

jerry

The points for this engine should ALWAYS be set at .020". I am not sure who decided to put the other settings in that manual, but all service schools that I have been in suggest .020" on this engine.

 

The rough running in a no-load condition is somewhat normal for these engines. The generate so much power that they need a small amount of load to even them out. Sometimes this condition can be caused by a governor setting, but I really would not suggest that you try to adjust it because you can do much more harm than good if you don't know EXACTLY what you are doing.

 

Set the points at .020" and try using it for a while and see what happens. Another possibility is that the carburetor may still have some dirt in some of the passages that cannot be seen.

 

Just for some added information, I will send my normal carburetor answer so you can look through it. It may not be your problem, but it still is some good information to have.

 

As engines sit or get older, fuel that is left in the carburetor can turn to gum and varnish and cause this and other problems. Also, any gasoline that was left in a gas can for a period of more than 30 days must be discarded because it also has begun to turn to varnish.

Today's gasoline's contain MTBE and alcohol. (Ethanol) They turn to "Junk and garbage" very quickly. Alcohol is partially water (H2O). And they call it "Oxygenated fuels! It is the oxygen that breaks down the organic compounds in the fuel and turns the gas to "Garbage" (Gum and varnish) The fuels we had just a few years ago had no alcohol in it and would store for longer periods of time before going stale... and fuel stabilizers do almost nothing to prevent the fuel from going bad with the changes in today's fuels.

Do not buy gas from the "Discount" Stations. The discount stations get a reduced price on gas because they may be buying fuel that is nearly 30 days old already. You may be getting fuel that's nearly stale right from the pump when buying from a discount station. Purchase your fuel from the well-known stations such as Shell, BP, Sonoco, Phillips 66 etc.

More than 70% of all of our repairs in our lawn mower business are due to this same issue. You most likely have dirt, gum, varnish...etc in your carburetor plugging up the small passageways and jets in the carburetor.

The carburetor must be removed from the engine. Clean all parts with carburetor cleaner and blow out all the small holes and passageways with compressed air. Remove all of the non-metallic parts since the carburetor cleaner will cause them to be disfigured decompose and plug the carburetor as time goes on.

Wash the carburetor cleaner off of the metal parts by washing them in warm, soapy water then rinsing with clean water. Dry them by blowing it off with compressed air. Make sure that all the passageways are blown dry before reassembling.

Reassemble using a NEW carburetor rebuild kit.

DO NOT TRY TO REASSEMBLE WITHOUT USING A COMPLTE CARBURETOR KIT! You will just end up having to do the job again.

ALWAYS clean the fuel tank and replace the fuel line when doing this repair or you may have to do it all over again. The inside of the fuel line disintegrates over time and these small pieces of rubber will plug up the carburetor too. Dirt and water from a dirty fuel tank will also plug up the carburetor. Find the Model, type and serial or code numbers off of the engine and take them to your local dealer to get the carburetor repair kit.

If you do the work yourself, take pictures or at least make a drawing of where all the linkages, gaskets, and component parts go. Correct reassembly is critical.

If the carburetor still doesn't work correctly, you may have to take it to someone who has an "Ultra-sonic" cleaning machine. This machine uses carb cleaner and ultrasonic vibrations to get the very small passageways clean when traditional methods fail.

If you don't feel comfortable with this kind of repair I would suggest sending it to a reputable shop.

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