my husband criticized my low rise jeans and low cut shirts when i bend over. he took a photo to show me how much i was showing in the company of others. it happened. i didn't do it on purpose. yet he wanted me to apologize for it happening. then when i do, he says that i say it like 'oh well' instead of truly being remorseful. it happened, i can't do a thing about it, i can't change that i showed some cleavage. it isn't physically or emotionally hurt him. its something he doesn't prefer. then he says i don't care about his feelings. i see a difference between him flat out not liking something and if it were something that i did that caused him internal angst or grief. this, i don't see as causing him any grief, just that it makes him jealous or something...help...
i feel like he should point it out and mention that i should be more aware of it next time. it makes me feel like he is more worried that other people might catch a peek of my cleavage, i was a bikini model before, so i'm not a slouch. then i asked him why it feels like i should be wrapped up in a moomoo now, because he's pointing out when something is showing. and any direction that i take it, be it an example or whatnot, he says that i stray from the actual issue (him being upset and his feelings) and i bunny trail to make it about me and my feelings. my feeling is that he criticizes instead of compliments. why would he specifically sift through pics to make me aware of my cleavage showing with the group? why not show all and casually mention? i didn't like the way it was presented to me and that was what i was trying to convey to him and he took it as i was trying to 'deflect' the issue and bunnytrail to something else...
I think you apologized and did the right thing. Do you feel you need to change this behavior or not? He may feel you said it like whatever because he did not feel your sincerity possibly due to the fact of you not agreeing based on what you explained to me. People have different views on this . Some men do not like their women dressing like that is because it can give the wrong impression to other people. They prefer to be more conservative and have you show it shown on the bedroom rather than to the public. It is not about being jealous, but rather preventing possible situations that could be avoided as well as for the woman to be looked at in a light that they should not be looked upon as. Then you have some men that are just jealous and have no reason whatsoever. This type can be out of control and spill out to other areas in life as well, which is not healthy. Lastly, you have the type that doesn't care and actually wants the woman to dress provocative in order to show them off like a trophy.
It is really up to the individual how they want to dress, so it is good to be honest with him of your feelings. There is no right or wrong and feel it is a personal preference. However, the first reason I mentioned why some men do not like their woman dressing like that is actually healthy. There is nothing wrong with that and it shows care. I think your husband is falling into this category, but you would know better by the rest of his actions as well.
The important thing is for you both to sit down and have a talk as to why you each feel the way you do.
my apology was deemed an actually apology to him. due to my bunnytrailing, it actually led into things that he does that makes me uncomfortable and then he said i was downplaying his feelings.
This will help you to understand one another's point of view and prevent further problems in the future. You both may need to come to a compromise or agree to disagree.
Either way what happened already is done. You are right it did not hurt anyone and you did not mean it
The best thing from here is to move on and discuss for the future.
we didn't sit down and talk. his feeling was his feelings were not being addressed, i was defending myself and my feelings only. that i don't reassure him...but with what? then he says that i only apologized because it was my last option
I would try to deal with this situation first that way he does not feel you are looking for excuses, but then
Let him know that you would like to discuss some things about him that you are not happy with or concerned about. Then go ahead and
Tell him what those things are without judging or pointing fingers.
This will stop him from becoming defensive or at least lessen the chances.
so today, we are not speaking. he is an hour away working. we likely won't talk about it later. he likely wants me to apologize for 'venom' i spewed last night. and he actually asked me why i am spitting venom because i said the critical things he says to me about my arguing style i heard before in my previous marriage...and the criticizing in the first marriage ended up in it failing
Explain to him and try to work on a compromise as a team for those things as well. The best thing to do is not work against one another to solve the issues, but work together listening to one another's thoughts, feelings, and ideas.
If you have experience with this then that is good you are aware. Anything said and should be said, but the key is the way it is being said and the timing
he says that i don't listen and redirect away from actual issues. that puts me on the defensive. anything i say or do...then he says he's done. or that i'm not listening so he's finished with the topic. basically shuts down...
So I would encourage you to be honest about your likes and dislikes as well as what you agree and disagree just try and change the way it is said and the timing. This will help his reactions and you will be doing your part. The ball then will be stuck in his hands to actually respond rather than just blaming you for arguing
its like he tries to manipulate the situation by shutting down. or not wanting to talk about it. i say what kind of relationship would that give us? and he says he doesn't know. i say it doesn't give us a relationship if we don't talk about it but he doesn't want to because all i am doing is defending my points and giving no credit to how he feels
Try and analyze if there is any truth. If you feel there is then try and listen better. Remember by you doing your part will actually force him to respond and not be able to wiggles his way out of situations due to just blaming you.
He would then not be able to do that and would be stuck in the corner
You will be doing your part and he will be forced to do his or it will then be obvious that he is the one preventing progress
its like if i don't agree with him, i'm not acknowledging his feelings. if i say i'm sorry, i can't change it now, i'm being flippant...
is it that i can't take criticism?
i immediately get on the defensive...
i wanted him to present it in a different way...he asks me if i need my ego stroked...
We don't need to agree, but you can try not to become defensive. There are people who get defensive easily because they feel the other person is against them
You can think about if you fall into that category
If you feel you that is good you are aware
well, sure. compliments go a lot further than criticizing...why the pic though? that just blows my mind that out of tons of pics that is what he brings up. not that i helped with the project that evening or whatever...then he says of course its great that i help, that i'm involved....but...insert cleavage issue...
Then you can work on that. When we are aware of our issues, which we all have then they can be worked on , so this is the first step
i get it, he wants it covered and you make sense. but i can't change it and he doesn't feel my apology is sincere...which hurts me. he says my tone makes it insincere....my tone
He may have thought you would not have believed how it looked just by him saying it, so wanted you to understand better that is why he showed you.
You did your part in regards XXXXX XXXXX
He will need to find a way to get passed that
You can not feel sorry about that forever
He needs to move on from this
clarify please?...he will need to find a way to get passed my tone? or do i need to work on my tone.
he says that if i had said things a different way, it would be different but due to my 'tone', it was harsh or whatever
If you agree then you can take all him how it will change and maybe if he sees you stressing differently that will help him get passed it if that is what you want to do
You did apologize and he may just need to get passed the fact he didn't like your tone
the part that hurts is that he comes out and tells me that i don't mean it....
so, what am i to do if i do mean that i'm sorry it happened but i'm not groveling at his feet the way he would have apologized?
Its done already. If you agree you can explain why your tone was the way it is because you did not realize the situation and was not happy with the pic and you can tel him your sorry if your tone was not sincere, but you truly are sorry. However if you feel your tone was fine them I would we explain that.
ohhhh....and then he says to me..."you know what? don't worry this wont happen again because i'm never going to mention it again"
You did not realize what you wore was a problem, so you could not apologize before.
This really depends on what you want
If you want to change the way you dress because you have learned and agree them I would tell him that, but if you do not feel the way you dress is a problem then that is something you would need to explain and he needs to either accept it or not
so, what is he doing by sayig that?
is that his way of manupulating the situation? by saying he won't ever bring it up again? what does that fix?
He said that probably because he feels you don't agree, so he feels pointless of bringing it up. He may just leave it alone to not argue, but doesn't mean he will be happy with that situation.
He seems to think you do not agree
I would clarify your feelings about it with him. Try to just stick to one issue at a time that will prevent things from blowing up out of proportion
ok...so stick to one topic at a time
he will have to deal with not liking my tone
i need to not get so defensive thinking he is trying to control me but is concernedand we have to work through this
criticism...i need to listen and be more vocal on things i don't like?
Yes but in the right way
when he brings up something he doesn't like, i mention something i don't like that is similar...should this not happen? am i steering away from 'his feelings' when i do this?
Make sure you are not judging or blaming even pointing fingers. The way things are spoken ,makes a huge difference
i am meerly trying to point out that we both do things that bother each other...but i don't bring them up every single time...
It can be the same point, but the wording plays a HUGE role
I would try an activity together.
i feel he judges my clothing sometimes...like i am doing stuff FOR attention...but unknowing to me it draws attention. how can i apologize for something that draws attention?
Write down what you each do not like about the relationship and one another
Then discuss it without blaming. Decide what you both will agree on to work on together as a team
And agree on what you both will let go
This will put your priorities in order and allow you both to focus on the important issues, but while working together and not against
Also list the positive things as well
And dwell on those together
Also, make a list of how you both can be better for one another and focus on that
About the attention that is what I have explained in the beginning.
I was in this situation myself and changed the way I dressed a long time ago
I have realized we can look sexy and good, but classy.
Any attention from the street is negative
Those men look at anything that is revealing. It is out husbands that truly love us and want the best for UA
the funny part is the shirt was a conservative top from talbots...
i changed my wardrobe and cleavage still showed...
They know how men think and do not want for us to be looked upon negatively
Them that is something that needs to be addressed
If it was conservative then he needs ton point out what he believes is acceptable, so you both can either agree or disagree.
At least you will both be on the same page and ,maybe can make a compromise. If generally you dress well and it was am accident
There is nothing wrong with that
Accidents do happen
It was not your intention
Even with me sometimes I have a tank top underneath a low cut shirt and even that ends up lowering since they stretch overtime and cleavage can show
It is unavoidable and does happen
Hr should be understanding to this
makes sense...but there was so much that got thrown in last night. hurtful things said. they cannot be unsaid. things about exs and things about hurt feelings from other stuff. do they also get addressed? should what is done be done and not rehashed?
Yes it seems like it got out of control. It is done and can just be worked on from here
Let him know you feel it got out of hand and would like to work through it piece by piece in a calm fashion between one another
i feel like if it doesn't get brought up ... its being swept under the rug....but if these things get brought up, it could also be digging a deeper hole and we will have a harder time moving past these issues
Things do need to be brought up to prevent resentment or a blowing up like what happened last night. However, timing and the way it is said is extremely important.
he doesn't like to bring up issues unless i bring them back up. i just want us to be back on good terms...sometimes i don't know how to do that. i feel like its gone too far and feelings are hurt...especially his....
i understand resentment
ok. well, it is what it is. we shall see if he accepts another apology for things getting out of hand...
Yes things may have been said that may take time to heal. It could take time to get back as it was, but it is best to start off with honesty and apologies as well as explaining why you said what was said and if was truth to it or not in order to discuss it in a healthy fashion
ok. thank you for listening.
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