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I have a gouldian finch and recently I noticed that he has a very small area on the head''s side where he doesn''t have feathers. It actually looks like a small hole and I''m very concern since I don''t want this to propagate to the rest of his body. I''m scare that he might start loosing his feathers... I bought a wide spectrum antibiotic at the pet store but I''m not sure if it is what he needs. What could have happened to him? His cage is super clean and we only give him seeds (not even fruits or vegetables or anything else). Could this be a fungus? infection? how can I treat him?. Thanks in advance for your help

Submitted: 696 days and 4 hours ago.
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Breed: Gouldian Finch

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Hello. The first thing you need to do, if you have the receipt and it's unopened, take that "junk" back to the store and get your money back. Stay as far away from their over the counter stuff as possible. No matter what they tell you, they do not have anything that will do your bird any good, no matter what is wrong, and in many cases it is harmful. If a pet store had anything that would work, you would not be able to buy it without a prescription and you would definitely not foul his drinking water with it. If you have already put some in his water, you need to dump it, wash and scald his dish and replace with only plain, fresh water. Birds do not handle antibiotics well, under the best of circumstances and to try to dose them with one of those very weak products, which tell you to further water it down, is not at all good for your bird. Pretty much the only things those products do is make the water taste so bad they either quit drinking or cut back so far that the risk of dehydration is added to the original problem. Now to the issue you are describing. This may sound like a silly question but for his sake, I have to ask. Are you aware that his ears are right there, almost on his "cheek" but just a tiny bit towards the back of his head? I want to be sure that the small hole you are seeing is actually something that doesn't belong and not the opening to his ear. The feathers can be a bit thinner in that area and if ruffled a bit, can look like there is feather loss when in fact, what you are seeing is normal. If this is his ear and not a separate wound of some kind, and, if you don't see any discoloration like bruising, any evidence of bleeding past or present, then it doesn't sound like there is a problem in that area. But, based on what you said about diet, he is heading for many possible health problems if you don't start right away, trying to get him to accept plenty of fruits, vegetables, leafy greens and many more "people" foods. Too many seeds (fat) in the diet can lead to liver problems and many other issues, the older he gets. I'm going to give you a couple links below where you can read more in detail about proper diet for that beauty. I hope this helps but if you have more questions, or if that opening turns out to be something other than his ear canal, let me know and we will take it from there. Patricia

Click here: GOULDIAN FINCHES: BASIC INTRODUCTION

Click here: Lady Gouldian Finch .com - Gouldian Diet

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Expert: Patricia
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Answered: 12/28/2007

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696 days and 4 hours ago.

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Reply to Patricia's Post: Thanks for this information Patricia. I'm sorry but I'm not sure if this might be the ear... I wish I knew how to distinguish them from another thing like a wound. I can actually take a picture in a very high resolution and send it to you so you tell me if this is or not the ear. We thought that at the beginning but we didn't see the same thing on the other side of the head that's why we were so concerned.

Regarding to the antibiotics, I already gave him some, I hope I didn't caused him any harm. I'll inmediately remove it, it's the first time I have a bird as a pet and I wasn't aware of the effect of these things is their tiny body. I also have a lovebird and I guess I would have made the same mistake with her too in a situation like this, thanks for letting me know.
I'll also change his diet, I honestly thought (and I was told so at the store) that the seeds were the only good thing for him.

Is there a way to attach a picture to this thread so you can see him and tell me what you think?

696 days and 3 hours ago.

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I just checked him again and I actually noticed that the hole is lcoated at the same place where he has the ear on the other side of the head. However on the other side I have to move the feathers to be able to see the hole, it's not exposed as this one is. Also, the colour is slightly red and when I touch him anywhere else in the body he stays quiet but when I touch him there I feel that he tries to bite me... maybe it hurts him...?

Thanks,
Ana

Posted by Patricia 696 days and 3 hours ago.

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Okay Ana. If you got him set up right away with fresh water, I'm sure you got it in time to not cause any real harm. As for the diet information they gave you, I can only repeat, steer clear of pet stores and their employees, except for food and toy products you need. They are not going to give you or any potential bird buyer any information that will help you with proper diet, safety issues or any of the rest of it. They have no regard for bird's safety or health, once it leaves that store. In fact, if the bird drops over dead in the first few days or weeks, they might get to sell another one. They care about their bottom line and that's it. If they told folks the truth about what we have to give up, product wise, to keep birds safe, that they can't just give them a few seeds everyday, or if they admitted anything at all about just how time consuming and labor intensive it is to keep birds properly and safely, they would lose too many customers. That's the main reason they should not be selling birds in the first place. Okay, back to the problem. I'm relieved that it does seem to be an issue with the ear and not a separate wound. Another quick question, these birds are inside the house rather than in an outside aviary, yes? If you can take the picture and post it here, that might be very helpful if I can actually see it. In case you don't know how to do that, just click on that icon that looks like a picture of a tree, in the tool bar of the reply box. A box will come up allowing you to "browse" your pictures and chose the one you want. Follow the steps and it should then print in the reply box. I'll be in and out here for the next couple hours or so but I will keep an eye out for it and will get back to you as soon as possible. Patricia

696 days and 3 hours ago.

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Patricia, I just realized my husband has the camera and it's the only one we have so I 'm gonna have to wait for him to come back (around 5:30 pm Mountain Time). I'm not sure if you'll be around by then.... but if not I would greatly appreciate if you can take a look at your inbox the next time you log in (hopefully tomorrow morning...?)

Sorry for the trouble, please don't forget about this email thread. I really want to have your opinion on this one.

Thanks,
Ana

Posted by Patricia 696 days and 2 hours ago.

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That's fine Ana. I did not mean that I would be gone for the day. Just that for the next couple hours or so, I would be back and forth between the computer and tending my own flock. I'm usually around, off and on, until about 3-4 A.M, EST. If you get it posted before that time, barring anything out of the ordinary, I'll see it before I go to bed. Patricia

695 days and 22 hours ago.

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Hi Patricia, I managed to take him some pictures I hope you can see something. He kept on moving and moving and it was hard to get a good shot.

This is the best one I could get:

http://www.e-car-buyer.ca/images/DSC00365.JPG

Do you think this is the ear?

Let me know your comments. Thanks in advance. Ana

 

 

Posted by Patricia 695 days and 5 hours ago.

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Thanks Ana. I so apologize for the delay in getting back with you. I've had a ton of unexpected things come up today. I appreciate the effort with the picture and I know it can be hard to get them still, especially for a close up picture. Unfortunately it is a bit blurred by the time it came through to me and the only thing I can see for sure is he sure looks like a beauty, and can only make out what I'm pretty sure is his eye. However, if there is only the one opening on each side of his head, it has to be his ear and it may be a bit irritated, causing him to possibly scratch at it more than normal. Something that simple is what we would hope for. However, it's just as possible that he could have an infection building in the ear. Should that turn out to be the case, it's only going to get worse without a professional, hands on exam from a competent Avian vet. There is one thing you can do in an attempt to detect an infection. That is to smell the ear. If there is a strong, unpleasant odor, especially if it smells like like popcorn or rotting cheese, you have an infection. However, you can't count on that 100% because if it's only in the early stages, you may not be able to detect it. It's my opinion that you have two choices here. You can go ahead and get him in for a checkup without further delay, or you can take a wait and see approach for the next few days and see what happens. Just be very attentive to any additional symptoms that indicate he is feeling worse and keep an eye on how it looks to you, watching for any discharge, additional redness, swelling, him shaking his head in excess and/or really trying to dig at it with his nails. An indication of a worsening infection could also manifest as disorientation and loss of balance. Of course those would be serious warning signs and he would need to get in without delay. I wish I had more suggestions and possibilities to offer but these things can be so tricky with these feathers kids, it's usually best to be safe than sorry. I do hope some of this information is helpful to you but if you need anything further, or if you have additional questions, do not hesitate to let me know. I want to do the best for him that I can. I'll keep the little beauty in my thoughts. Patricia

Click here: Parrots - Avian Vets Recommended - Judy Leach's Parrots - macaws, cockatoos, and african greys

Click here: Find your local Avian Veterinarian

Click here: Avian Veterinarians Recommended by Bird Breeders and Owners http://www.birdsnways.com/articles/abvpvets.htm

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694 days and 20 hours ago.

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Reply to Patricia's Post:

Thanks Patricia. I think if this is a possible ear infection there is nothing better I can do than taking him to the vet. I don't want to take any chances and I thank you for letting me see the obvious not so obvious... My first thought was that he was loosing the feathers of his head but I never thought about the ear.

Thanks again for your time and help.

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