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I have an SC430 that starts but shuts back down immediately. I ran a scanner on it and it only shows one code, B2799, which is immobilizer. I took it to the Lexus dealer and they said that they need to reflash the ECM. They did and it registered, but the car still starts and immediately shuts down and the scanner shows the same code, B2799. The technician at the dealer said that he couldn't fix it. Does anyone know how I can fix this problem?

Submitted: 1009 days and 14 hours ago.
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2002 Lexus sc430 430

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dealer flashed ecm

Posted by MdtDan 1008 days and 15 hours ago.

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Hello,

Code B2799 has a clear and specific troubleshooting flow chart. I dont understand why the dealer couldn't fix it.

Are there any circumstances which occured prior to this concern? I.E. dead battery, dropped key, other electrical failures?

I'd like to help you with this.

MDTDan

1008 days and 14 hours ago.

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Reply to MdtDan's Post: The vehicle does have a new battery. The connectors to the ECM, Transponder keu ECU, and the key amplifier have been checked and reseated. There does not seem to be any loose or broken connections. All the fuses under the hood on both sides have been checked and all of the fuses on both door pillars have been checked. The car starts easily and without hesitation, but immediately shuts down after 1 or 2 seconds. The technician at the Lexus dealer reflashed the ECM thinking that the key was not registering. Nothing changed after the flashing. I had only one code before B2799 and I have the same now. The remote function of the key works, you can lock and unlock the doors and the trunk. Do you know if, the immobilizer suppose to stop ignition. Because I get strong ignition but something shuts off the fuel. Does the immobilizer do that?

Edited by XXXXXX on 2/18/2007 at 12:51 PM

Posted by MdtDan 1008 days and 7 hours ago.

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Yes, the immobilizer shuts off the fuel just as you have described.

What did the dealer suggest you do since they cant fix the car?

What does the Immobilizer light do with the key inserted? (will be near the instrument cluster or radio)

MDTDan

1007 days and 18 hours ago.

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Reply to MdtDan's Post: I don't know how the service representative at this Lexus dealer gets away with his bad attitude. I asked him in his office before I left if he could call Lexus Technical support and get some suggestions on where the problem was. He simple stated that he did not want to work on the car anymore. (Really unbelievable after I had the car towed there because they thought reflashing the ECM would fix it.)

The light blinks steady before you put the key in and then goes out when the key is inserted.

I logged into ALLDATA online and looked up code B2799 and I am following the proceedures there. I took a long wire and an ohm meter and ohmed out the wires from the transponder key ECU in the dash to the ECM. The wires have good continuity and no shorts to ground. The wires that are suppose to switch between 0 and 12 volts with the key work properly. The wiring and connections for the transponder key ECU all appear to be fine. Tomorrow I am going to check all of the wiring and voltages going to the transponder amplifier under the dash.

Do you know if when the ECM is reflashed, is there some kind of registering for the transponder key ECU and the transponder amplifier at the same time so that all three will talk to each other? It appears to me that although the dealer tried to reprogram my ECM that something didn't go right because it acts like that it thinks that I still don't have the roght key. What do you think?

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According to what I'm reading the fault is in the communication between the reciever and the ECU. It may be that the wires are open or shorted, or perhaps the communication process has locked up due to a glitch of some sort. I have seen the process used below to get various components communicating again. I would give it a try. The connector is the OBD connector inside the vehicle. I think you'll find the pins numbered. The ssc refered to is a wire with the proper pins which insert into the connector. Careful use of a paper clip or other wire should be ok.

When the Engine ECU is replaced, ECU communication must be completed.

ECU Communication must be performed between the transponder ECU and the

Engine ECU. Complete ECU communication using the following steps:

A. Insert registered Master Key into the ignition cylinder.

B. Turn ignition ON (engine OFF).

C. Short Tc and CG terminals of DLC3 using Diagnosis Check Wire

(SST 09843-18040 or equivalent) and leave for 30 minutes. (See Figure 11.)

16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9

8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1

FIGURE 11. DLC3

Tc = Pin 13

CG = Pin 4

SST 09843-18040

View of Connector Is From Passenger Compartment

D. After 30 minutes, turn ignition OFF and remove check wire from DLC3

E. Start the vehicle to confirm successful ECU communication.

NOTE:

If ECU communication is not completed correctly, the engine will not start and DTC

B2799 will be set. DTC B2799 will be cleared after engine starts correctly.

Let me know if this helps.

MDTDan

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Answered: 2/20/2007

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21 Years servicing and repairing foreign and domestic vehicles in a Dealership

1006 days and 19 hours ago.

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I already tried jumpering between pins 13 and 4 for thirty minutes. Nothing changed. If the security light on the dash stops blinking when I insert the key does that mean that the key is communicating with the system. I have checked the continuity of the wiring going from the transponder key ECU to the ECM (also checked for shorts to ground). I also checked the wiring continuity between the key amplfier and the transponder key ECU. The wiring is correct. The only thing that I have not checked yet is the antenna wires (hard to get to). It looks like I will have to take the antenna out so that I can ohm it out.

Do you know if there is a way I can bypass the security system and start the car (If I could bypass the security system, I could determine if there is anything else wrong with the car?)

Could there be something else that is causing the fuel starvation right after ignition?

Posted by MdtDan 1006 days and 4 hours ago.

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I have never seen a way to bypass this system. It is integrated to the ECU in a way that makes it very secure.

If the light stops blinking with the key in, the antenna is picking up the signal from the key and sending it to the transponder ECU. I will have to determine if the transponder ECU controls the light or if it is the engine ECU.

From what you are describing the issue must be between the transponder ECU and the engine ECU. I'll have to do some more research. In the meantime check the fuse box under the hood for a white jumper that looks like a fuse and is labled immoblizer. This should be present. I've seen people remove these for some reason.

If my responses aren't fast enough for you I will try to locate another expert to assist you with this. I am working many hours right now and dont want to leave you hanging.

Oh yeah, you mentioned a new battery has been installed. Is there any chance the terminals were touched backwards, or the battery was jumped backwards? This could be the cause of your troubles.

MDTDan



Edited by MdtDan on 2/20/2007 at 10:59 PM

1003 days and 20 hours ago.

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Reply to MdtDan's Post: After spending many hours tracing every wire in the system and finding nothing wrong, I went to another Lexus dealer on the north side of town. They told me that apparently the first dealer did something wrong because there is nothing wrong with the car. They reprogrammed the ECM and the car starts and runs fine now. Thanks for your help.

Posted by MdtDan 1003 days and 17 hours ago.

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I'm glad to hear you got your Lexus back on the road!

Thanks for the accept.

MDTDan

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