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I bought a New Hampshire documented Morgan 33 sailboat in 1985/ 1986. Upon purchase I documented it with the US Coast Gard in New York City. I procdeeded in good faith and I was told it was sales tax exempt..
In 2000 New York claimed that I owed sales tax , back interest and penalty. Were the documented boat laws in the mid 80's allowing exemption or was I given bad information. Optional Information: New York City, New York

Edited by XXXXX XXXX on 3/20/2006 at 11:51 PM

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Posted by Ed Johnson 1329 days and 7 hours ago.

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Dear steve,

Thank you for the opportunity to respond to this question.

Unfortunately, you received bad information. In 1985, the law stated that the state charges sales tax on every sale and purchase of personal property unless it is specifically exempted.

In the matter of boats and marine equipment, unless you are engaged in commercial fishery or farming or the direct consumption of the purchase, the sailboat, as such is not exempt form sales tax.

In addition, sales tax is charged for the dry dock of the boat.

The person who told you it was tax exempt was probably basing this on the fact that you purchased a New Hampshire documented Morgan. However, boat registrations or documentation are treated in New York, as in other states, similarly to car registrations. Sales tax has to be paid. If you paid a sales tax on the boat to New Hampshire, you would only pay the difference if New York sales tax was greater.



Edited by emj1219 on 3/21/2006 at 12:07 AM

1329 days and 7 hours ago.

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Reply to Ed Johnson's Post: What about this I found on the web?
Titled Removes State Sales tax Exemption for Coast Guard Documented Boats
Committee: Ways and Means Comittee S2439.01
Voted 2/29/96Voted do pass S ways and Means

Current Bill Summary

This act removes the sales tax exemption for Coast Guard documented boats.. In addition, this act creates the "Water safety Fund"...

Posted by Ed Johnson 1329 days and 6 hours ago.

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Dear Steve,

Thanks for the followup. I checked this law out. This was a Missouri state senate law and applies only to Missouri. This was the Missouri state House Ways and Means Committee.

New York, throughout the 80's and to present time has and continues to charge sales tax on boats based on destination or abode of the person purchasing the boat. The only sales tax exemptions in the 80's was if the boat was conducing interstate or public water commerce including charter boat services, fishing, etc.

I reverified the state tax laws and vehicle registration laws.

The DMV requires all boats to be registered, and before they are registered, they require two things:

1. That they are coast guard documented AND

2. Proof of sales tax or an exemption request.

the exemption request does not include coast guard documented boats, only non-resident, non-NY operated or moored, and commercial use exemptions for boats.

There is an exemption based on paying tax in another jurisdiction.

1328 days and 23 hours ago.

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Reply to Ed Johnson's Post: Thank you.
One more thing.
When the boat was purchased, it was delivered to West Cot Cove, CT. It was for the first two years docked in Stamford Connecticut.
After two years it was taken to City Island, Bronx, NY, where it resided for one year, then moved to Sag Harbor, New York. But for the initial two years after purchase it resided in CT.
Does that make a difference?

Also I was contacted by the NYS tax dept in 2000. Even if I owed the tax, is there no statute of limitation?


Edited by XXXXX XXXX on 3/21/2006 at 8:16 AM

Posted by Ed Johnson 1328 days and 21 hours ago.

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Dear steve,

Unfortunately, according to the New York state Department of Taxation, the time of purchase does not really matter. Interestingly, for boats and cars, it is driven by the registration process. In order to register a boat (and vehicles also) for the first time in the state, you have to show that (a) it was coast guard documented, and (b) that you paid sales tax.

It would make a difference if you had paid sales tax in CT.

There is a general statute of limitations on the collection of sales and use taxes of 3 years. The state has three years in which to assess the tax. What I am not able to tell you, is if they actually met this requirement. Generally, in most states, the tax is procedurally assessed at the time of registration. If you claimed an exemption you were not entitled to (even though you thought you were), then the statute of limitations, in many states, does not start until discovery of the fact. We do not know when they discovered the oversight.

let me share this with you. I noticed that several people had filed an appeal with the state based on their individual circumstances. about 2/3's were successful with the appeal or had the tax and penalties reduced.

I recommend that you find a local tax attorney. Sit down with him or her for a few minutes. Nothing beats sitting down face to face with an attorney for 30 to 45 minutes and having a discussion. You may discover a little factoid in your circumstances that allows you to file an appeal. At the very least, your attorney may be able to negotiate for you and get a reduce payment. I am assuming the tax bill will be a couple of thousand dollars and the attorney's fee will be worth it.

If you can challenge this tax based on a procedural issue, then you might be able to avoid it.

1328 days and 21 hours ago.

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Reply to Ed Johnson's Post: Thanks

Your responses are really helpful.

One last thought. My boat was never registered, I believe. Again I was told that a documented boat needs no other identification. However I did place some registration numbers on the side of my boat, which were required. Could those be documented boat numbers, or does that have to be registration numbers. In that case would I not have had to have paid sales tax to get the numbers?

Posted by Ed Johnson 1328 days and 20 hours ago.

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Dear Steve,

This is how it goes in the attorney's office. Little bits of additional information keep coming out.

The coast guard registration is not who collects the sales tax. The coast gaurd is only interested in providing an identification number to your boat (kind of like an inventory), for their purposes of controling the boats operating in the ports. It is a matter of security and is equivalent to a license plate number.

However the agency charged with collecting the sales tax is the DMV.

If I understand you correctly, you have never registered your boat with the DMV.

It is possible, the state did an audit of coast gaurd registrations to balance against the tax accounts.

However it is also possible that CT also got involved. There is a recipricol agreement between CT and NY concerning the audit and reporting of sales taxe delinquincies between the states.

1328 days and 13 hours ago.

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Reply to Ed Johnson's Post: Thanks again you have most helpful..
Any suggestions to wiggle out of this mess or am I just ...

AFTER THIS REPLY I WILL STOP EMAILING YOU AND ACCEPT .

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At this point, the only suggestion I have is to send your boat to Florida.

Seriously, you should appeal. I am sure the cost of a tax attorney will be less than the taxes and penalties.

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