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Regarding moving/driving violation, citation California, for alleged going ZERO miles per hour and operating a cell phone, per violation of code/section 23123 cvc. Two part question. I wanted to contest this violation; my logic, was driving a rental van (not my usual car) during one day rental and the Jabra hands free talking device that I had that I normally cycles through the f.m. radio signal did not operate on rental van....the radio was not working. So cell phone I was carrying I was switching to speaker option, when cell phone was ringing and I was stopped (hence citation states going 0 m.p.h.). Does this seem defensible and explainable away to the chula vista, san diego Court. My possibly bigger problem is that I overlooked the court appearance date which was for 11/5/09. Might I be able to appear on Monday 11/9 and STILL plead not guilty, and contest same. No other moving violations at age 54 California driver normal drivers (not commercial) license. 100 miles to court. Thanks.

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Posted by Dimitry Alexander Kaplun 13 days and 20 hours ago.

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Thank you very much for your questions. I am sorry to hear that you were pulled over. Regrettably any use of a cell phone unless with the hands free device (including the speaker option) is forbidden by statute. Statute wise, that is not a valid excuse to the use of the cell phone as it is not being used for an emergency (which would constitute valid justification).

No, you will not be able to appear on the 9th and plead the same violations, as it this point it may be possible that a bench warrant was issued due to your missing court. First contact the courthouse, request a new court date and hearing, and claim that you did not get proper notice of the hearing. Find out if a bench warrant was issued and find out how to set it aside if possible. Only when a new hearing is set can you appear in court, as otherwise at best you will not be heard and asked to leave, and at worse arrested under the bench warrant.

Sincerely,

XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXX, Esq.

13 days and 20 hours ago.

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Am I charged for a relatively simple follow-up question? Assuming that I am NOT charged then my question is this.... Since I cannot seem to get the Chula Vista Court to answer phone, would I still want to go there on Monday a.m. (recall about 100 mile X XXX XXXXX) and request the new court date (to contest citation for reasons given). As citation listed the 11/5/09 appear before 8 a.m. notation on ticket (ticket written 9/26/2009), and this was not complied with, is the Court GENERALLY willing to extend a revised court date for such a minor violation? The cost w/ court costs is $142 not yet paid (I suppose would be) upon appearing on Monday, 11/9 or ?

Posted by Dimitry Alexander Kaplun 13 days and 20 hours ago.

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XXXXXXXXXXXXXX,

Until you press "accept", you are not effectively charged, and I am not compensated for my assistance. So please press "accept" only when you feel I have answered your question to your satisfaction.

I will be happy to answer your follow-up.

No, call the courthouse and only drive up if the clerk tells you that you can come up to get a rehearing. Otherwise, as I stated above, at best you will end up driving without cause as the judge who is handling your case may not be on duty and will not be able to see you. Courts generally are willing to allow you to re-schedule, especially if this is for relatively minor citation.

Sincerely,

XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXX, Esq.

13 days and 19 hours ago.

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Your answer seems straight forward enough, and I Thank You. I would love to ask my wife if she has any thoughts or follow-up. So I went to ask her and she is asleep! Our son turns 18 years old literally at midnite (yikes) so we are staying awake in "shifts" tonite waiting for his safe return after a night out celebrating with friends. (He promises no drinking). Would you mind if I "run" this by her and see if anything else comes to mind...then we can likely "settle up"? What if I can't get the Chula Vista Court to answer phone...then by NOT getting some input from them, in the shortest amount of time past the 11/5 date, does that not create the risk of this arrest warrant thing (despite the minor nature of the infraction) as getting underway? But, if I show up to try and set a revised Court date, then as you state they may have a warrant issued on the spot! Sort of a catch 22, no? So anyway, it sounds like at all costs I shold stay away from Chula Vista and perservere until getting through to them, I suppose??!! That said after I see your last response to this, If I have a follow-up (maybe will or maybe won't...but anyway...) if that is not til a.m. my time, and assuming you are no longer there, when might you respond in case needed final input before signing off or in limited odds trecking to Chula Vista on Monday? Would that be acceptable to you (tomorrow follow-up question based on what your final response is here tonight) or might I not be able to reach you again until some extended time, past say some point Sunday, which would be unfortunate...Your thoughts? Doug M.

Posted by Dimitry Alexander Kaplun 13 days and 19 hours ago.

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Doug,

Absolutely--sleep on my answer, and when ready, then you are free to "accept" then.

Let me give you some words of peace and warning, however. First of all, while a bench warrant is possible, it is almost extremely unlikely as it usually takes two weeks--however it would be wrong of me not to point out that such an option may exist.

Second, many courts do allow you to come in and reschedule , but that would entail you driving up in the morning, waiting until the afternoon for what may or may not occur. That is why it is always better to call ahead first and know if you are able to do so.

Third, you do have a great defense to the citation, as the citation calls for using the phone while "moving"--if you weren't' moving you have a good shot of arguing the the statute is irrelevant.

I have been discussing your situation with an another Expert here, so I am providing you both my thoughts and his. As such you are getting the best information known from two parties.

Finally, so long as you write me through this thread, or if you start a new question with "For Dimitry..." in the title, I will be able to respond and assist you. So please feel free to review and contact me if you have any additional questions regarding your situation.

Sincerely,

XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXX, Esq.

13 days and 19 hours ago.

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I am highly appreciative of your input (mind you the TRUE peace and "lack of warning" will come when our son returns home at some point before I myself burn out this a.m. I actually printed out the statute and it prohibits "in effect" driving (actual term they use is "a person shall not drive"), so I guess the question on a strict interpretation is if NOT moving (i.e. going zero m.p.h.) but still in the driving lane (side street, residential, incidentally, and not highway), and it was dark and engine on and I am in driver's seat, did the cop really see me use cell phone or just attempt to engage the cell to communicate through the Jabra device, and of course is driving a vehicle really driving it when you are stopped? Makes for interesting conversation, but then again, I suppose some technical definition of driving must be utilized, and why would cop issue citation at zero m.p.h. knowing anyone could "beat the rap". That said the couple of week thing does give me a bit of breathing room, maybe. Thanks to your colleague, as well. Anything more tonight? Thanks/regards. XXXX M.

Posted by Dimitry Alexander Kaplun 13 days and 9 hours ago.

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Doug,

Nothing futher. Let me know if you have any follow-ups.

Sincerely,

XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXX, Esq.

13 days and 1 hours ago.

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FOR DIMITRI TO RESPOND TO>>>>>My wife and I finally had a chance (before Monday a.m. when I will try and again call the Chula Vista court and ask for a re-hearing date, anyway)....did you have any viewpoint of the statute language I saw regarding the term "driving" and your reference to the term "moving". It would seem to me that is a POSSIBLY a significant technical point cause as the citation acknowledges I was going ZERO m.p.h. clearly I wasn't moving (and can say I had put van in park for those few seconds while I tried to get the Jabra hands free thing to answer the cell phone). Did you have a specific description in the statute that uses the term "moving" or were using that term loosely just for our converstaion purposes...and in effect the term driving and moving really are synonomous terms. I just want to have a decent shot of explaining this away and/or as you said possibly have a better shot at a strong defense if I am or am not in that strong of a position? Incidentally close inspection on the ticket shows a 1 letter typo of my street address in Irvine (Ca) but I suppose that might not mean squat in claiming I never received the mailed San Diego/Chula Vista Court thing covering the citation cost, payment options, etc. The traffic school thing just won't work for me..so i want to avoid that time engagement, distance, and expense. Maybe we're almost done here...so on a technicality of "moving" vs. "driving" phraseology, and the street typo thing...your follow-up thoughts. Again, I can assure you I will cover the nominal fee, but am hoping to get the best judgement relevant to the exact specifics (ay hand) more or less! Regards, XXXX XXXXXXXXX.

Posted by Dimitry Alexander Kaplun 13 days and 1 hours ago.

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Doug,

This is the statute that you were charged under:

Hand-Held Wireless Telephone: Prohibited Use

23123. (a) A person shall not drive a motor vehicle while using a wireless telephone unless that telephone is specifically designed and configured to allow hands-free listening and talking, and is used in that manner while driving.

(b) A violation of this section is an infraction punishable by a base fine of twenty dollars ($20) for a first offense and fifty dollars ($50) for each subsequent offense.

(c) This section does not apply to a person using a wireless telephone for emergency purposes, including, but not limited to, an emergency call to a law enforcement agency, health care provider, fire department, or other emergency services agency or entity.

(d) This section does not apply to an emergency services professional using a wireless telephone while operating an authorized emergency vehicle, as defined in Section 165, in the course and scope of his or her duties.

(e) This section does not apply to a person when using a digital two-way radio that utilizes a wireless telephone that operates by depressing a push-to-talk feature and does not require immediate proximity to the ear of the user, and the person is driving one of the following vehicles:

(1) (A) A motor truck, as defined in Section 410, or a truck tractor, as defined in Section 655, that requires either a commercial class A or class B driver’s license to operate.

(B) The exemption under subparagraph (A) does not apply to a person driving a pickup truck, as defined in Section 471.

(2) An implement of husbandry that is listed or described in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 36000) of Division 16.

(3) A farm vehicle that is exempt from registration and displays an identification plate as specified in Section 5014 and is listed in Section 36101.

(4) A commercial vehicle, as defined in Section 260, that is registered to a farmer and driven by the farmer or an employee of the farmer, and is used in conducting commercial agricultural operations, including, but not limited to, transporting agricultural products, farm machinery, or farm supplies to, or from, a farm.

(5) A tow truck, as defined in Section 615.

(f) This section does not apply to a person driving a schoolbus or transit vehicle that is subject to Section 23125.

(g) This section does not apply to a person while driving a motor vehicle on private property.

(h) This section shall become operative on July 1, 2008, and shall remain in effect only until July 1, 2011, and, as of July 1, 2011, is repealed.

 

 

Since you were not effectively driving, you have a very plausible argument that states that this statute does not apply, as you were not actively "driving" or "moving" when using the phone.

 

Sincerely,

XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXX, Esq.

13 days ago.

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I had that statute which is where I came up with the "driving" as opposed to your "moving" verabge. Last night I Googled the definition of driving and one almost immediate source (A Southern Ca DUI attorney...course in my case this has nothing to do w/ alchhol or any impaired chemical substance abuse, or whatever) anyway....THAT attorney's (Google) definition was "excercising control over a motor vehicle" and then went on to further explain (in the case of a DUI) that the broadest definition of driving would include, possibly, the example of a person in the drivers seat, and possibly with the keys in the ignition but not engaging the car (my term there but implied as the car was not in motion whether engine running or cat a standstill) and even there that circumstance might be defined as driving. In my case do you think such a "tight" definition of driving might apply. Judgement call for sure, but again the statute I think uses the term driving (as opposed to moving) so is that particular word the facet of this that I may be having to defend against. Alternatively of course, (and hopefully, of course) if they hear my defenc=se that the van was not moving and had no speed maybe they would be more friendly to my argument and the judge just toss the ticket aside. Still, in any event I still have to be able to contact the Chula Vista court for a response if I can get a new trial date, or whatever. Would you think I would be advised to pursue the van was 0 m.p.h. so was not diving thing, and am I better off pleading my case in person or sending a written defense and of course then cannot cross exam or be questioned. Despite the distance, I think the former (meaning go to have my day in court) would be my preference. Much chance we can both be famous and move this, ultimately to the Supremes. Haven't been to Washington for several years!

Posted by Dimitry Alexander Kaplun 13 days ago.

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I am sorry, I am not your attorney and I cannot make an assumption like that for your behalf. I can simply provide you with the information and your best avenues.

Sincerely,

XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXX, Esq.



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Would you prefer I cease the q & a or do you want to find out what I was able to do with Chula Vista tomorrow and what resolution I was able to receive in terms of a court date or declination on their part. And, what of getting to visit our black robed friends in Washington? I hope you appreciated that was in jest!

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At this point I do not see what additional information I can truly provide you. Contact the court house, reschedule, and argue that you did not deserve the ticket because you were not technically driving when written up.

Kindly accept my answer if you have no additional follow-ups. Good luck in court!

Sincerely,

XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXX, Esq.

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Hopefully I transmitted acceptance of answer successfully, and released deposit payment to you. When I went to "back page" I lost ability to add positive commentary (but scored positive outcome as received. Thank you for your input and expertese. My first time using this service. It was an interesting and useful outlet and I would be inclined to use the venue again. Regards. XXXX M.

Posted by Dimitry Alexander Kaplun 13 days ago.

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Doug,

Thank you very much. I did receive your acceptance. I am very happy to hear that your use of the site was positive. Please contact me again if you have any other questions or concerns.

Sincerely,

XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX XXXXXX, Esq.

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