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I AM WROKING ON A 1995 MAZDA PROTEGE WITH A 1.5L DOHC, TIMING ISSUE, AT T.D.C. ALL TIMING MARKS ARE DEAD ON BUT THE ROTOR SHOULD BE ON #1 CYL. BUT IS 1/4 TURN CLOCKWISE ON #2 CYL. I PULLED THE DIST. AND CHECKED THE PIN THAT ALIGNS THE CAM AND DIST., IT LOOKS OK, WHAT ELSE COULD IT BE??????????

Submitted: 16 days and 4 hours ago.

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Year: 1995
Make: Mazda
Model: protege
Engine: 1.5L DOHC

Already Tried:
FOUND TDC AND ALL TIMING MARKS LINE UP BUT ROTOR OFF 1/4 TURN, ON #2 CYL. NOT #1, CHECKED PIN ON BACK OF DIST. LOOKS IN PLACE AND OK.

Posted by danny 16 days and 4 hours ago.

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would a complete diagram of replaceing the distributor help to see if you have missed anything?

Posted by danny 16 days and 4 hours ago.

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While I wait for your reply i thought you might want to go over your ignition timing.

Warm up the engine to normal operating temperature.
Shift the transaxle into Neutral (MTX) or P position (ATX).
Turn off all electrical loads.

Headlight
Blower motor
Rear window defroster
Power steering
Wait until the coolant fan stops. Ignition Timing
Perform "Preparation". (Refer to above.)
Connect a tachometer to the data link connector terminal IG-.
Verify that the idle speed is within the specification.
Specification: 650-750 (700 ±50) rpm [MTX]
700-800 (750 ±50) rpm [ATX]
If not as specified, adjust the idle speed.

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Connect the data link connector terminals TEN and GND by using a jumper wire.
Connect a timing light to the high-tension lead of the No.1 cylinder.

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Verify that the timing mark (white) is within the specification. Specification: BTDC 0 ±1°
Verify that the timing mark (yellow) is within the specification. Specification: BTDC 6-18

16 days and 4 hours ago.

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a diagram could halp but doesn't answer the question?

16 days and 3 hours ago.

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still waiting for a answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by danny 16 days and 2 hours ago.

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How many miles are on the mazda? sorry for the questions I am justr filling in the blanks

16 days and 1 hours ago.

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IT HAS 104,961 MILES AND IS VERY CLEAN.

Posted by Steve 16 days and 1 hours ago.

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Greeting's
Let me see if I can help you. Tell me exactly how you are checking the timing marks on both the camshaft sprocket and the cranckshaft sprocket?
Steve

16 days and 1 hours ago.

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THE CRANKSHAFT MARK ON PULLY WAS AT TDC COMPRESSION STROKE, AND
THE OUTSIDE CAM GEAR TIMING MARK WAS 1. STRAIGHT UP AND THE OTHER
TWO WERE EVEN WITH TOP OF HEAD,INSIDE TWO GEARS HAD THE MARKS IN-LINE WITH MARKS ON TOP OF HEAD, BUT ROTOR WAS AT #2 POSITION ON CAP.

Posted by Steve 16 days and 1 hours ago.

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Hello,
The way your checking the cam marks is correct, however the crankshaft is not lined up using the tdc mark. You must remove the front crankshaft pulley, and lower timing belt cover, and line up the mark on the crankshaft sprocket straight up just like the cam sprocket. I believe once you line up the the crankshaft sprocket correctly, you will find the cam mark is not lined up, which would indicate the timing belt jumped. The TDC mark is used for setting ignition timing, but is not used for valve timing.
I hope this helps

16 days and 1 hours ago.

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STEVE, IF #1 PISTON IS ALL THE WAY UP ON THE COMPRESSION STROKE, IS THAT NOT THE SAME AS LINING UP THE CRANK SHAFT SPROCKET????

Posted by Steve 16 days and 1 hours ago.

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Hello,
Sorry, but unfortunately not. Valve timing (timing belt setup ) is not necessarily set up with the engine at TDC. Ignition timing and valve timing are two different things.
I hope this helps
Steve

16 days ago.

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STEVE, IF I CHECK THIS OUT BY TAKING IT APART AND I FIND EVERYTHING ON THE CRANK IN TIME, WHERE DO I GO FROM THERE????

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Hello,
If you find everything in line there, then you'll need to remove the camshaft sprocket and check the back side where it's lined up with a pin in the end of the camshaft. I have seen camshaft sprockets rotate and damage the back side of the sprocket and the camshaft where the pin or dowel goes into the camshaft. If that checks out, then you need to verify the two camshafts are synced properly. I believe if you remove the valve cover, there are marks on the end of the camshaft gear sprocket for the chain that sync's the two cams. Both cam marks should be pointing straight up. But I still believe your timing belt has jumped.
I hope this helps
Steve

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I AM WROKING ON A 1995 MAZDA PROTEGE WITH A 1.5L DOHC, TIMING ISSUE, AT T.D.C. ALL TIMING MARKS ARE DEAD ON BUT THE ROTOR SHOULD BE ON #1 CYL. BUT IS 1/4 TURN CLOCKWISE ON #2 CYL. I PULLED THE DIST. AND CHECKED THE PIN THAT ALIGNS THE CAM AND DIST., IT LOOKS OK, WHAT ELSE COULD IT BE??????????

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Year: 1995
Make: Mazda
Model: protege
Engine: 1.5L DOHC

Already Tried:
FOUND TDC AND ALL TIMING MARKS LINE UP BUT ROTOR OFF 1/4 TURN, ON #2 CYL. NOT #1, CHECKED PIN ON BACK OF DIST. LOOKS IN PLACE AND OK.

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would a complete diagram of replaceing the distributor help to see if you have missed anything?

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a diagram could halp but doesn't answer the question?

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still waiting for a answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Info Request

How many miles are on the mazda? sorry for the questions I am justr filling in the blanks

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IT HAS 104,961 MILES AND IS VERY CLEAN.

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Greeting's
Let me see if I can help you. Tell me exactly how you are checking the timing marks on both the camshaft sprocket and the cranckshaft sprocket?
Steve

Reply

THE CRANKSHAFT MARK ON PULLY WAS AT TDC COMPRESSION STROKE, AND
THE OUTSIDE CAM GEAR TIMING MARK WAS 1. STRAIGHT UP AND THE OTHER
TWO WERE EVEN WITH TOP OF HEAD,INSIDE TWO GEARS HAD THE MARKS IN-LINE WITH MARKS ON TOP OF HEAD, BUT ROTOR WAS AT #2 POSITION ON CAP.

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STEVE, IF #1 PISTON IS ALL THE WAY UP ON THE COMPRESSION STROKE, IS THAT NOT THE SAME AS LINING UP THE CRANK SHAFT SPROCKET????

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Hello,
Sorry, but unfortunately not. Valve timing (timing belt setup ) is not necessarily set up with the engine at TDC. Ignition timing and valve timing are two different things.
I hope this helps
Steve

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STEVE, IF I CHECK THIS OUT BY TAKING IT APART AND I FIND EVERYTHING ON THE CRANK IN TIME, WHERE DO I GO FROM THERE????

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I AM WROKING ON A 1995 MAZDA PROTEGE WITH A 1.5L DOHC, TIMING ISSUE, AT T.D.C. ALL TIMING MARKS ARE DEAD ON BUT THE ROTOR SHOULD BE ON #1 CYL. BUT IS 1/4 TURN CLOCKWISE ON #2 CYL. I PULLED THE DIST. AND CHECKED THE PIN THAT ALIGNS THE CAM AND DIST., IT LOOKS OK, WHAT ELSE COULD IT BE??????????

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Year: 1995Make: MazdaModel: protegeEngine: 1.5L DOHC Already Tried: FOUND TDC AND ALL TIMING MARKS LINE UP BUT ROTOR OFF 1/4 TURN, ON #2 CYL. NOT #1, CHECKED PIN ON BACK OF DIST. LOOKS IN PLACE AND OK.

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would a complete diagram of replaceing the distributor help to see if you have missed anything?

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a diagram could halp but doesn't answer the question?

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still waiting for a answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Info Request

How many miles are on the mazda? sorry for the questions I am justr filling in the blanks

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IT HAS 104,961 MILES AND IS VERY CLEAN.

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Greeting'sLet me see if I can help you. Tell me exactly how you are checking the timing marks on both the camshaft sprocket and the cranckshaft sprocket?Steve

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THE CRANKSHAFT MARK ON PULLY WAS AT TDC COMPRESSION STROKE, ANDTHE OUTSIDE CAM GEAR TIMING MARK WAS 1. STRAIGHT UP AND THE OTHERTWO WERE EVEN WITH TOP OF HEAD,INSIDE TWO GEARS HAD THE MARKS IN-LINE WITH MARKS ON TOP OF HEAD, BUT ROTOR WAS AT #2 POSITION ON CAP.

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STEVE, IF #1 PISTON IS ALL THE WAY UP ON THE COMPRESSION STROKE, IS THAT NOT THE SAME AS LINING UP THE CRANK SHAFT SPROCKET????

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Hello,Sorry, but unfortunately not. Valve timing (timing belt setup ) is not necessarily set up with the engine at TDC. Ignition timing and valve timing are two different things.I hope this helpsSteve

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STEVE, IF I CHECK THIS OUT BY TAKING IT APART AND I FIND EVERYTHING ON THE CRANK IN TIME, WHERE DO I GO FROM THERE????

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Year: 1995
Make: Mazda
Model: protege
Engine: 1.5L DOHC

Already Tried:
FOUND TDC AND ALL TIMING MARKS LINE UP BUT ROTOR OFF 1/4 TURN, ON #2 CYL. NOT #1, CHECKED PIN ON BACK OF DIST. LOOKS IN PLACE AND OK.

Greeting's
Let me see if I can help you. Tell me exactly how you are checking the timing marks on both the camshaft sprocket and the cranckshaft sprocket?
Steve

THE CRANKSHAFT MARK ON PULLY WAS AT TDC COMPRESSION STROKE, AND
THE OUTSIDE CAM GEAR TIMING MARK WAS 1. STRAIGHT UP AND THE OTHER
TWO WERE EVEN WITH TOP OF HEAD,INSIDE TWO GEARS HAD THE MARKS IN-LINE WITH MARKS ON TOP OF HEAD, BUT ROTOR WAS AT #2 POSITION ON CAP.

Hello,
Sorry, but unfortunately not. Valve timing (timing belt setup ) is not necessarily set up with the engine at TDC. Ignition timing and valve timing are two different things.
I hope this helps
Steve