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Both parents are now gone, I am the successor trustee. All bills are paid, no property, only an investment sum with Thrivent. They are telling me that the trust now needs to have a new tax ID to be legal and before distribution of funds can be made. Is that correct?

Submitted: 18 days and 4 hours ago.
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Nothing tried before now. I did contact Thrivent months ago to make sure everything was in order. They said it was and should be no problem. Now that I need to distribute funds to beneficiaries, I'm told that this trust needs to apply for a Fed. ID tax #.

Posted by JK_CPA 18 days and 2 hours ago.

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Hello,

Thanks for your question.

Has the trust ever had an EIN or are they telling you you need to get a another one? You do need an EIN if the trust made gross income over $600 because a Form 1041 will need to be filed for the trust. These are the requirements per the IRS:

You will be required to obtain a new EIN if any of the following statements are true.

  • One person is the grantor/maker of many trusts.
  • A trust changes to an estate.
  • A living or intervivos trust changes to a testamentary trust.
  • A living trust terminates by distributing its property to a residual trust.

You will not be required to obtain a new EIN if any of the following statements are true.

  • The trustee changes.
  • The grantor or beneficiary changes his/her name or address.
You can apply for an EIN online: APPLY ONLINE NOW

Form 1041 filing requirements: http://www.irs.gov/instructions/i1041/ch01.html#d0e583

Hope this helps!
Sincerely,

18 days ago.

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This living trust has never had an EIN. I was told that my Mother's SS# was the tax number for her living trust. At 93 y/o, this trust never created enough income to be taxable. Why would it be taxable now?

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OK, so you are saying that since your parents passing, the trust had no income at all in an investment account? No interest, dividends, capital gains?

This is not like when you just have an estate and are distributing all the assets to the heirs. This is a trust. When you distribute funds to the beneficiaries, you will need to issue them a Schedule K-1. This form will need to have an EIN. Upon your parents' passing, their living trust that was revocable became irrevocable and you as a trustee might be required to file a trust's income tax return and issue the Schedule K-1's to the beneficiaries. So it would be best to get an EIN since the trust changed from revocable to irrevocable.

In order for the trust to perform financial operations, the trust should have an EIN. You as a trustee would apply for the tax ID. As the trust is a legal entity, it may be required to file a trust income tax return and report taxable income and might either pay its own taxes or distribute taxable income to beneficiaries.

In most situations, upon the death, all assets are distributed from the trust and final income tax return for the trust is filled.

 

If you use the online EIN application as I mentioned before, you can get an EIN within minutes!

 

Please see additional information, see IRS publication 559 - http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p559.pdf

 

Let me know if you have any questions.

 

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17 days and 23 hours ago.

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I now have a much clearer understanding as to what I need to do. Thank you very much.

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