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What if you had two tax deferred accounts: a sep ira to which you had excess contributions and an employer sponsored (401k or 457?) that you contributed much less than the limit. do you owe tax on the excess contribution? can you combine the contributions for the taxable limit? can you carry over the excess to the next year? further, what if you dont take the deduction for teh sep ira in the year you had teh excess, can you carry over the whole contribution for deduction? or should you amend your previous years filing for the deduction.

Submitted: 23 days and 12 hours ago.
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Posted by LEV 23 days and 12 hours ago.

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How did you determine the excess contributions?

Are you self-employed?

 

23 days and 12 hours ago.

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I am partially self emplyed and employed by employer with a traditional plan. I also attributed certain earnings that were on a w2 that i thought were coming on a 1099. I tried to recharacterize teh plan but teh papers were sent back to me

Posted by LEV 23 days and 12 hours ago.

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Several issued...

The contribution limit should be determined for each plan separately.

If you have several plans with the same employer - for purposes of contribution limit - they are treated as one plan.

For plan you set for your business - self-employment activities - your overall limit should be reduced by all other contributions.

 

Let me know if you need any details.

If you provide your numbers - I will help you in calculating the contribution limits.

 

23 days and 8 hours ago.

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i only contributed 12000 to the employer sponsored plan, and i contributed 3000 to the sep ira (assumed that i had18000 in self employed income when 15000 was actually reported on a w2, so only 3k was self emp income)

Posted by LEV 23 days and 8 hours ago.

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You need to determine the limit on the employer's sponsored retirement plan and on the plan you set for your self-employed activity separately.

 

In general, if the excess contributions for a year are not withdrawn by the date your return for the year is due (including extensions), you are subject to a 6% tax.

Did you make these contributions for 2009? If so - you still have time to remove the excess contribution.

 

Annual contributions an employer makes to an employee's SEP-IRA cannot exceed the lesser of:
-- 25% of compensation, or
-- $49,000 for 2009 and 2010

The same limits on contributions made to employees' SEP-IRAs also apply to contributions made to a self-employed individual's SEP-IRA. However, special rules apply when figuring out the maximum deductible contribution. When figuring the deduction for contributions made to your own SEP-IRA, compensation is your net earnings from self-employment, which takes into account both the following deductions. -- The deduction for one-half of your self-employment tax.
-- The deduction for contributions to your own SEP-IRA.

Let me know if you need any help.

 

23 days and 8 hours ago.

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the contributions were for 2008. i know I am below the employers plan limit, but above on the sep

Accepted Answer

In this case - there is no choice - you need to remove the excess contribution and pay 6% penalty.

You may not move the money into another plan and avoid penalty.

 

If contributions were made in 2009 for 2008 - you might be able to recharacterize it as made for 2009.

Otherwise - I do not see any options.

 

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22 days and 23 hours ago.

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it is possible to use the excess contribution as a deduction for the following year?

Posted by LEV 22 days and 21 hours ago.

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the excess contribution should be distributed - you may not use it as a deduction.

You may use these money as a contribution for the next year - but that will not eliminate the penalty.

Only if the contribution for 2008 was actually made in 2009 - you may recharacterize it as made for 2009 - if that is your case - you need to contact the administrator of your plan - they should have special forms for that.

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