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What is pyogranulomatous and necrotizing steatis with peripheral fibrosis

Submitted: 24 days and 10 hours ago.
Category: Cat
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Posted by NancyH 24 days and 10 hours ago.

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Is this a cat?

What organ is involved?

Is this from a biopsy?

24 days and 8 hours ago.

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Hi Nancy, Yes it is a cat, a 20 pound cat, no organs are involved. He had a lump in his side that I felt one day and when I did, it burst in my hand. I took him to the vet, they took out what they thought was the extent of the tumor, and closed him up, within two days two more lumps occurred and started to ooze. Back into surgery, I asked for a biopsy report this time. He is now 6 days in recovery and has another lump. He is on Baytril and they just told me to double the dose. The biopsy report said that he had pyogranulomatous and necrotizing steatitis with peripheral fibrosis. I should consult an oncologist. In cats this can become cancer. Now I'm scared and I want to make sure all is being done to allieviate any chance of cancer. The cat is 12 yrs old and has never had any health issues. He is a big cat.

Posted by NancyH 24 days and 8 hours ago.

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Oh that is scary news to hear and consulting an oncologist is a good idea.

Pyogranulomatous is an inflammatory process which is often the formation of nodules in fatty tissues.

Necrotizing steatitis means the tissue cells are destroying themselves or dying from the inflammatory process.

Peripheral means edge.

Fibrosis is the excess production of connective tissue (fibers) as a healing attempt (scar tissue for example).

You can read about one issue called yellow fat disease here

http://www.cat-world.com.au/steatitis-yellow-fat-disease-in-cats

http://www.vetmanual.org/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/91402.htm

and another problem panniculitis here

http://www.gopetsamerica.com/dog-health/panniculitis.aspx

Your best bet is that second look by an oncologist to determine the treatment steps to take.

Hope this helps you!

24 days and 6 hours ago.

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Ok, I understand all that but What is causing this considering the cat was in perfect health prior to this... I want to know what sort of antigens cause this, is it related to an organ malfunction, an introduction of a new bacteria, what is or may be causing this to happen to a perfectly healthy cat... Keep in mind I take these guys to vets once a year and have blood work done and out of all 8 cats, he has been the healthyest... Could FIP have anything to do with this? I did have a cat with FIP... she died after 3 years and I had 7 cats left, she was a stray who I had tested, but to no avail... I also took in another stray,who was tested and she had 5 babies...Gave away all but one and kept her and the baby. I am not ready to go through a masacre of cats, but I can't understand what is happening in my household... All indoor cats, and well maintained... I suppose my real question is what is causing all this now...

Posted by NancyH 24 days and 5 hours ago.

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The articles I included in the above answer mentioned possible causes and there may be more.

One issue might be diet including a diet high in tuna.

An immune disease is a possibility as is vaccination injection reaction or a foriegn body under the skin. Could be this was all triggered by infection under the skin from a cat bite or claw.

This is why seeing a specialist is a good idea. Find out the underlying possible issues and see what applies to your pet's situation.

Part of having multiple pets is you end up seeing more health issues than the person who has only one or two pets.

You can read here some more causes

http://tinyurl.com/yka2ck3

and FIP may be implicated too.

24 days and 5 hours ago.

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I do have multiple cats, all of whom are declawed and inside cats only. They all get along and are a harmonious family, they all have their vaccinations and eat a high quality, holistic diet. I am still not happy with what has been told to me... Too many options, or variables, there have been no cat scratches or bites. thank you for your help.

Posted by NancyH 24 days and 5 hours ago.

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I can't make you be happy with what I've told you but there is a limit in what can be done over the net. You need in person veterinary exam and consultation to have a good idea what is going on with your cat and perhaps finding a 'why' for it or perhaps not.

You might never know if during play one cat slightly punctured the skin of another one and that is simply one possible option not the only option.

You need to pursue this with in person vet care.

24 days and 4 hours ago.

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Thank you Nancy, I do appreciate the effort, but being that I've had these cats for a very long time, none of which have nails nor do they play that rough that one would puncture the skin of another... They are fat happy cats that sleep together in a big cat mound. They are all a part of one big family so I don't see how any of those possibilities could be feasible. I am not saying that it is impossible, but I know these guys well. Maybe I'm asking the impossible too... I do appologize, but I've gotten the runaround from the local vet, and I think it's time for me to take a small loan out to find out what is wrong with this guy... So you can understand my frustration, I had a cat that died in January, one in May, and one who is sick with kidney and cancer disease, this last one is just the topping on the cake. After I spent almost $800 to find out my little kitty had FIP, she died 3 days later. Another $2000. to keep another one comfortable till he died, and still more spent on the kitty with cancer... I'm overwhelmed and I guess I'm looking for a definite answer, not a possible answer.... Thank you so much anyway.

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I think your vet was being honest when they referred you to an oncologist. ie it was outside their experience area so they referred you to a vet who they expect should be able to help with your understanding of the problem. You are focusing on only one area - what if shots caused it? what if allergies did? what if an autoimmune disease is the problem? so many possibilities and only in person work can give you those answers.

In reality the only person who can give you a definite answer is a treating vet and even then it could be a 'maybe'. As long as that maybe goes with treatment that works it would be worth it but they may have to try more than one thing to have that happen. As people say about human medical work - they are just practicing!

I do understand cash flow issues and having a house full of older animals or ones with health issues.

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Expert: NancyH
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Answered: 10/28/2009

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30+ years cat owner, rescue, breeding, study of behavior & health care

23 days and 12 hours ago.

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Thank you, I think you're right, I'm concentrating in only one area when I should be looking at many areas. I do have an excellent vet and she is treating the cat with baytril right now, if that is the correct spelling... He has another cyst and we are hoping the antibiotic will handle it for now. He is being watched closely and hopefully an oncologist won't be necessary. I keep my fingers crossed with this one. As I've mentioned earlier, its been a dreadful year with three cats passing and two more getting sick, so financially it has become a huge strain. I will look at the web sights you've given to me, and see if I can find anything close to an explanation, but I think this is just one of those things that keeps you guessing... Thank you for all your help. I appreciate the resources and your quick responses... I wish you the best, thanks again! Cynthia

Posted by NancyH 23 days and 12 hours ago.

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You are very welcome - I hope your vet can him feeling better for you.

I do have great sympathy for your situation. I just went back and added it up to realize I've lost 9 pets in the last 2 years - all seniors of varying ages. Its just not easy.

I don't know if you have seen www.petloss.com or the rainbow bridge story you may find some comfort there with your losses in the past.

Thanks for the above accept.

23 days and 11 hours ago.

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Thanks Nancy, I do know about the Rainbow Bridge, but I can't go and read it, makes me cry... I've done enough of that over the past year, and I'm still feeling very sad over the little Siamese that is dieing from cancer and kidney failure... Losing a pet as I can see you know, is sometimes the toughest experience to ever have! I'm sure someday I'll look back on all the little creatures that have brought me so much joy, and I'll smile knowing how much love they brought into my household, and I did the best I could... Thanks again, Cynthia

Posted by NancyH 23 days and 10 hours ago.

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I like the rainbow bridge concept but I can't read it either.

I can tell you that remembering all the funny happy things do push the sadness away for me.

Siamese are special any how - our old boy is 19 1/2 and not doing so well but still full of 'comments' about the world.

I'll close this down and I'm thinking positive thoughts for the current cat for you!

23 days and 10 hours ago.

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I just love the vocal comments they have, such opinions too... lol I only had one boy who made it to 20 and that was a real tough one to let go... You're right, I guess thinking about all the funny things they pull on us makes all the heartache and work worth while... The best to you and all your little companions too.. thank you for your thoughts... I will keep a positive attitude and hope for the best. Take care. Cynthia

Posted by NancyH 23 days and 10 hours ago.

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Thanks for the kind comments.

I do think without the animals our lives would be less rich despite our wallets never being full because we have them!

23 days and 10 hours ago.

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Oh boy, you certainly have that one right! lol They do bring so much to your life, but take so much away from the purse... lol Its a matter or personal priorities... For me, I consider them high on the list.

Posted by NancyH 23 days and 10 hours ago.

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So true!

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