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I have been awarded a settlement from my X husband 401K in a final divorce decree. A QDRO will be drawn up to present to his employer. I very confused about what happens from the day the judge signs the final decree until I take a cash distribution and roll over the rest to an IRA. When are these funds subjected to gains/losses. What I think I understand is that from mediation to final decree signing my funds are subjected to gains/losses but I do not know what happens in the time after that. Until the distribution is taken. How do I protect my money from a down market. I know the market is doing well right now but I also know that things could change. I will be investing a portion in an IRA but I want to make sure I get the amount I was awarded and then choose my investments.Also have been told that a QDRO will allow you to take a cash distribution and not pay the 10% penalty. Just pay taxes on it. Thanks Janice

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Posted by JK_CPA 30 days and 22 hours ago.

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Hello,

Thanks for your question. If you do not take a cash distribution from the QDRO/401k, you will not be subject to any gain/loss. If you roll it over into an regular (non-Roth) IRA, it will be non-taxable. From the time of the decree until the time you roll-over the QDRO, the investment is subject to unrealized gains/losses. After the decree is finalized, you may be to contact the 401k plan sponsor/administrator (sometimes it's the employer and sometimes it is not) and instruct them which funds/investments you want your money to be invested in until you can roll it over to an IRA. They usually have a money market fund which is the most stable/conservative investment choice.

Yes, you will not be subject tp the 10% early withdrawal penalty.

For more information, see this article:
http://www.research401k.com/divorce-401k.html

Hope this helps!
Sincerely,

Edited by JK_CPA on 10/22/2009 at 1:42 AM

30 days and 22 hours ago.

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JK The decree will be finalized Friday i.e. signed by the judge. I understand that there will be a two to four month period of time before the QDRO is executed. Is my portion subject to gains/losses during this time? Am not understanding the first part of your answer.How can I take a distribution before the QDRO is executed. How long does it usally take to find out the exact amount my portion is worth at final decree. If at mediation I was given an amount and it is subject to gains/losses until final decree. How is that calulated? then that amount plus gains/losses is now subject to gains/losses until QDRO is executed?

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You can't take a distribution before the QDRO is executed. It could take up to 4 months to find out exactly how much you will get if it based on a percentage.

Your portion may be subject to gains/losses during that 2-4 month period if it is based on a percentage (say you get 50% of his 401k account). If it is based on a specified money amount you will get, that amount will not change, (e.g. $50,000). It all depends on how your QDRO is worded. Also, the plan document of the 401k plan dictates how QDRO's will be valued/paid. So it would be best to ask the plan administrator.

Unless the Marital Settlement Agreement (MSA) or judgment provides the amount payable to the alternate payee, the QDRO preparer will use a formula that instructs the plan administrator how to compute the amount payable to the alternate payee. It is a common misconception that the QDRO will include the amount payable to the alternate payee.

This is from http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/publications/qdros.html

An order dividing a retirement benefit under a defined contribution plan may adopt either a "separate interest" approach or a "shared payment" approach (or some combination of these approaches). Refer to question 3-3 for a discussion of these two approaches. Orders that provide the alternate payee with a separate interest, either by assigning to the alternate payee a percentage or a dollar amount of the account balance as of a certain date, often also provide that the separate interest will be held in a separate account under the plan with respect to which the alternate payee is entitled to exercise the rights of a participant. Provided that the order does not assign a right or option to an alternate payee that is not otherwise available under the plan, an order that creates a separate account for the alternate payee may qualify as a QDRO.

Orders that provide for shared payments from a defined contribution plan should clearly establish the amount or percentage of the participant's payments that will be allocated to the alternate payee and the number of payments or period of time during which the allocation to the alternate payee is to be made. A QDRO can specify that any or all payments made to the participant are to be shared between the participant and the alternate payee.

In drafting orders dividing benefits under defined contribution plans, parties should also consider addressing the possibility of contingencies occurring that may affect the account balance (and therefore the alternate payee's share) during the determination period. For example, parties might be well advised to specify the source of the alternate payee's share of a participant's account that is invested in multiple investments because there may be different methods of determining how to derive the alternate payee's share that would affect the value of that share. The parties should also consider how to allocate any income or losses attributable to the participant's account that may accrue during the determination period. If an order allocates a specific dollar amount rather than a percentage to an alternate payee as a shared payment, the order should address the possibility that the participant's account balance or individual payments might be less than the specified dollar amount when actually paid out.

Reference: ERISA §§ 206(d)(3)(C); IRC § 414(p)(2)



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