hi,
let estimate your 2009 tax liability.
-- earnings - $40,356 - from wages?
-- $82,000 from 401K - taxable - are you taking a full distribution?
-- $18,000 from Roth IRA - not taxable - are you taking a distribution?
-- $40,356 SS benefits + Pension - we need to separate because they are taxed differently.
Total gross income (without Roth IRA distribution) $122,356
For your itemized deduction in 2009 only
mortgage interest paid in 2009 $3,316
real estate taxes - ?
property taxes -?
state taxes paid in 2009 - ?
charitable contributions - ?
other items deductible on the schedule A - ?
Please provide all these information to complete the estimation.
-- $82,000 from 401K - taxable - are you taking a full distribution? - No about 33%
-- $18,000 from Roth IRA - not taxable - are you taking a distribution? -Full distribution.
-- $40,356 SS benefits + Pension - we need to separate because they are taxed differently- $19728 Pension, $15405 unemployment, $5232 So Sec, all 3 sources had about 10% withholding for Fed and 5% State
I am asking about whether or not to get a loan of $50K-75K. I paid no martgage interest in 2009, I won the condo. If I get no loan in 2009, I will just use the standard deduction on 2009 1040 form
So your estimated 2009 tax liability.
-- $82,000* 33% = $27060 - taxable distribution from 401K
-- $18,000 distribution from Roth IRA - not taxable
-- $19728 Pension - taxable
-- $15405 unemployment benefits - taxable
-- $5232 Social Security benefits 85% taxable or - $4447
Total taxable income $27060 +$19728 +$15405 +$4447 = $66640
Your deductions
-- standard deduction for 2009 - $5700 (will be additional $1400 if you are 65+ - please confirm)
-- personal exemption for one person - $3650
taxable income - $57290
regular tax $10510
If you qualify for first time home buyer's credit - $8000
total federal income tax withholding from all sources - $4000 - please confirm
Your estimated 2009 refund ~$1500
Now - 2010
please list all your 2010 income items.
Please let me know if any correction in the above estimate is needed.
Tax Preparer
Taxes, Immigration, Labor Relations
This is good news. Have these rates always been less than 100%?
Unfortunately at age 62, I have already bought 3 homes, no $8K credit for me.
I may have to take another 401K distribution in 2010 to pay 2009 tax, we'll see.
Thank you for your understanding and detailed answer.
Social Security benefits are never fully taxable - 85% is a maximum taxable part.
To have Social Security benefits not taxable at all - here is the test - take your other taxable income plus half of your Social Security benefits - if that amount is less than $25,000 - none of your Social Security benefits are taxable.
Example - if your other taxable income = pension + taxable distributions will be $20,000 and your Social Security benefits $10,000 - none of your Social Security benefits would be taxable and your only taxable income will be $20,000.
You wrote above
so - I assumed that you will take only 33% of your 401k plan - if that incorrect - let me know.
without the first time home buyer's credit - you will have tax liability ~$8500
Let me know if you need any help.
- - I assumed that you will take only 33% of your 401k plan - if that incorrect - let me know.
I need $82K which is 33% of $240K, the total value of the 401K. I expect your next reply will show a larger estimated 2009 tax liability.
My pension is $1644/mo, $19728/yr. My So sec payment is $1744/mo, $20628/yr so again, I expect more bad news is on the way.
Also can you explain if any conditions I have mentioned will require me to make quarterly payments to the IRS?
Unfortunately - the situation i snot as good as it seemed - I have to recalculate your estimation based on provided corrections:
So your updated estimated 2009 tax liability.
-- $82,000 - taxable distribution from 401K
-- $20628 Social Security benefits 85% taxable or - $17534
Total taxable income $82000 +$19728 +$15405 +$17534 = $134667 - please verify if that correct.
-- standard deduction for 2009 - $5700
taxable income - $125317
regular tax $28809
Because of your taxable income - $125317 - you are in 28% tax bracket - means any additional distribution will be taxed at 28%.
If your taxable income overpasses $171,550 - you will be pushed into 33% tax bracket - means - every dollar above that limit will be taxed at 33%.
There will be California state income tax - ~$11,000.
I might suggest to pay California income tax in 2009 and you will be able to itemize your deduction. You may also prepay real estate and property taxes in 2009 - that will allow to deduct them all together on the schedule A. Let me know if you need help with estimations.
Income tax is a pay-as-you-go tax, which means that tax must be paid as you earn or receive your income during the year. You can either do this through withholding or by making estimated tax payments. If you do not pay enough tax, you may have to pay a penalty for underpayment of estimated tax. Generally, most taxpayers will have paid enough tax to avoid this penalty if they owe less than $1,000 in tax after subtracting their withholdings and credits, or if they paid at least 90% of the tax for the current year, or 100% of the tax shown on the return for the prior year, whichever is smaller.
The penalty may be waived if:
Here is my best attempt to give you the data needed to estimate my 2010 tax liability.
Use this data to calculate the 3 year income averaging method for 2010 tax estimate
Yearly
Line 37 AGIs from1040s filed since 2006
2006
$105,056
2007
$36,869
2008
$31,111
2009
$122,356
'06-'08 sum
$295,392
Current+3 past years
4yr avg
$73,848
So Sec from 9-12/09, Unemp 4-9/09
2009 earnings=
$40,356
So Sec + Pension + unemployment
Other '09 income:
$82,000
from 401K
$18,000
from Roth IRA - no tax
Taxable income excludes Roth IRA
$140,356
Gross Income in 2009
$100,000
$ needed for Mhome from IRA & 401K
State @ 9% > 37K
$3,316
9% of 4 yr avg
State @ 6% < 37K
$4,431
6% of $37K
Fed tax @ 28% > 80K=
$0
28% of 4 yr avg > $80K
Fed tax @25% < 80K=
$18,462
25% of 4 yr avg < $80K
$26,209
2009 taxes to be paid in 2010
Do I need quarterly pmts in '10?
Cost of 147 Mira Del Norte
$280,000
Net from sale of my condo
$183,501
IRA & 401K Funds
Net available
$283,501
If you need more information, please let me know, Thanks again!
Here is another attempt at the data for 2010 estimated tax:
Year
Line 37 AGI Amts
2009 income &
Earnings
2009 earnings =
$19728 Pension
$15405 unemp
$ 5232 So Sec
$40356 total
Tax calc info
State tax @ 9% > 37K
State tax @ 6% < 37K
OK,
hope we are clear now on 2009 tax liability.
For income tax purposes - taxable income is determined based on the time the income is received - unless you are in business which selected accrual accounting method.
The income averaging is available only for those in farming or fishing business and for certain distributions from pension funds.
You may not use income averaging in your situation.
Your 2010 income for tax purposes should be determined based on the time it is received.
I suggest you to list your 2010 expected income - and we will do estimation in similar manner.
This URL and turbo tax 2008 led me to believe I can use 3 year income averaging, what am I missing? http://www.ask.com/bar?q=3+year+income+average&page=1&qsrc=0&ab=0&title=Income+Averagin g%3A+Definition+from+Answers.com&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.answers.com%2Ftopic%2Fincome-averaging&sg=Kp%2BaXGDVXeDL5isy6Li%2BPrXNomTpQBjSUWNoiqvvigk%3D&tsp=1256171373536
Here is another attempt at my 2009 income,earnings and my best estimate of my 2009 tax liability ($26,209), let me know what else you need to provide me an estimate.
$5232 So Sec
As I reading the information on your reference - yes - it was income averaging in the past - The Tax Reform Act of 1986 repealed income averaging.
You may confirm that by calling the IRS at 1-800-829-1040
For 2010 tax liability - we need to consider only income you expect to receive in 2010.
And you may not postpone your 2009 tax liability.
Sorry if you expected a different answer.
I do not need to know about 2010 tax, please stay with me on the 2009 tax, is 57,472 what I should expect to pay for 2009 tax, if as you say, I cannot use 3 year income averaging:
$7,682
$7,341
$11,860
28% of > $80K
$30,589
25% of < $80K
$57,472
regular federal tax $28809
There will be California state income tax ~$11,000.
SoSec will be $5232 or at 85% $4447 for a total of $121,580
Please let me know the State and Fed tax estimate,
Thanks.
based on out assumptions - estimated tax liability:
Total Adjusted gross income - $134667
California state income tax ~$11,000.
You wrote above - My So sec payment is $1744/mo, $20628/yr - that what I used in estimation...
now you are telling - SoSec will be $5232 or at 85% $4447 for a total of $121,580
that is confusing...
Lev-
Sorry things are confused, but I've only been getting So Sec since 9/1/09. The monthly amount I get from Social Security is $1719. Four months then will be $6,876 or 85%= $5,845. Again, sorry for the confusion
No problem - as long as we are able to clarify and move forward - we are good!
I recalculating your tax liability with corrected SS benefits.
As we estimated above your 2009 tax liability.
-- $6,876 Social Security benefits 85% taxable or - $5,845
Total taxable income $82000 +$19728 +$15405 +$17534 = $122978
taxable income - $113628
regular federal tax $25536
There will be California state income tax ~$9,950.
Please consider to pay all California tax liability in 2009 - and you will itemize and deduct the whole amount of California state income tax - by doing that - you may more than $1000 in federal taxes.
Thanks for all your help, I will pay CA '09 tax this year if possible.
Rhanks again.