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Hi I have a 4 year old budgie. A couple of months ago she started getting a growth in her nostril it fell out and left a big hole, now its growing out of both her nostrils its about the size of a grain of rice. Its not bothering her or hurting her she lets me touch it with out it bothering her. Any ideas what it is?? She has had scaley ffet and beak before as well but she has not got it this time

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Category: Bird
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Pet's Gender: Female
Pet's Age: 4
Type of Animal: budgie

Already Tried:
chlorahexadie

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Chlorahexidine is an understandable attempt to help your budgie, but may make things worse when applied to delicate areas such as the nares where it can be absorbed into the body. It's mostly recommended for surface cleaning such as cage bars and perches, with some use on skin wounds.



The only real way to address what's happening with your little one is to find out exactly what it is. Some possibilities include:


The most common avenue of transmission is mosquitoes, but it may also transmit via inhalation or ingestion. If a bird has an open wound or scratch, the virus has an entry point.


Outdoor aviaries that are susceptible to droppings drying and the ‘dust’ becoming airborne or with birds that forage the ground are prime examples.



With Poxvirus you’ll find nodules on the unfeathered areas of the bird, including around the beak, cere, eyes, legs and feet. The nodules may break open and become scabby areas. Poxvirus victims are prone to secondary, opportunistic infections from bacteria and/or fungus.



Wet Poxvirus is an internal presentation of this virus often with growths not only in the mouth and into the esophagus and further into the bird’s system, but also in or on the eyes.


As with any virus, there is no cure, but only supportive treatments and symptomatic care. Sometimes vitamin A therapy produces positive results.



Many birds DO recover - others may succumb when the pox blocks their airway or prevents them from eating. If it progresses to this point, tube feeding might get them through it; however, euthanasia may be the kindest solution. Your vet should be able to help you know if and when this decision needs to be made.





Papilloma virus also produces growths on birds, usually a wart-like projection first seen on or around the vent area. It can, however, present just about anywhere.



The only treatment for papillomas so far is removal, usually cauterization, as they appear. By maintaining this treatment many birds find many more years left of a good, quality life save for the times this surgery is necessary.


Papillomas that start on the cloaca/vent may also show up, eventually, in the oral cavity. Usually this is at the base of the tongue to begin with, but may also include the esophagus. Lachrymal involvement is also seen (the eye area/tear ducts).



Oral papillomas may cause dyspnea (loss of balance).


Internal papillomatosis (IPP) will involve the bile ducts of the liver.

What you have to keep reminding yourself is that just because you might not see all these symptoms and your bird is acting fine, not showing signs of pain like a mammal would - doesn't mean it's fine. Birds are experts at what is called "masking", hiding symptoms, illness, infection, weakness and other problems until they are so progressed that they can't hide them anymore, or at least keep it up consistently.

That's why some owners will see symptoms and suddenly the bird seems ok again. By the time the symptoms return, it's much worse - so getting your bird to professional care at the very first inclination of something wrong is usually the most productive of recovery at the most reasonable cost.

You mention that you've had a problem before with bumble foot or scaley feet. These are aggravating little mites that might seem eradicated and then show up somewhere else, exactly like you're seeing.

Knemidokoptic (Mange) Mites cause white or grayish, crusty lesions/growths on non-feathered areas of the bird. Corners of the mouth, feet, legs and cere are commonly affected. In advanced cases the feet can look deformed from them. Sometimes a bird won’t have symptoms other than feather loss and itching.



Treatment is Ivermectin either by injection, orally or spot application behind the neck. Up to three treatments are usually necessary at ten day intervals.



It's very worthwhile to make that return trip to your vet to have this diagnosed for sure. If it's the mites again - and you've already gone through the Ivermectin treatment regimen, you may be advised to try it one more time and hopefully this will finally take care of it. When cases are resistent and recurring it can become rather costly and complicated as the infection can overwhelm the body and be a very sad, difficult problem for a little gal like this.


Good luck and keep up the good work!






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Expert: S. August Abbott, CAS
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Answered: 10/16/2009

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Cert. Avian Specialist; Int. Assoc.Animal Behavior Consult; Pet Ind. Joint Advisory Council; author

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