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i have a stud old english bulldog with papers and somebody wants to mate their bitch old english bulldog without papers for her. is this wise.. also i know 95% of these wind up being a c section. if she cant whelp on her own and vet does c section what kind of vet bill are we talking about?

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Posted by NancyH 40 days and 8 hours ago.

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C-secton costs vary area to area so call a local vet or ask your vet for a range but I've seen from XXX-XXXX depending on if its planned or emergency and what vet is used.

Be sure that both dogs are tested for canine brurcellosis a venereal disease that can make a stud sterile.

Often this breed has to be impreganted by artificial insemination too as the males may be too heavy for the female to work with and the dogs may over heat from exertiions.

Typically dogs are sold without papers only when they are intended to not be bred. Its possibe ethe female has a flaw that to her breeder meant she should not be bred at all.

So you have to decide the ethics of this too. Do you want to have a reputation as a breeder who ony breeds to quality dogs or who will breed their dogs to anyone with the cash.

These are health tests before deciding the dog is worthy of breeding that the breed club suggests

http://www.caninehealthinfo.org/brdreqs.html?breed=BU

but there are more such as making sure the dogs do not have breathing issues, hip issues, spinal issues etc.

People tend to measure the quality of the stud by the quality of the pups he produces so if you breed to lower quality or unhealthy females then he may get a reputation of producing unhealthy pups.

Hope this helps you!

 

40 days and 7 hours ago.

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WELL EVEN IF ALL TEST ARE GOOD SHOULD SHE BE BREED? I UNDERSTAND THAT THE BITCH SHOULD BE 18MNTHS BEFORE HER FIRST BREEDING WHY SHOULD SHE BE THIS AGE. THE BITCH IN MIND NOW IS 14 MNTHS. PLEASE TELL ME WHY THERE SHOULD BE A CERTAIN AGE FOR HER.. AND SHOULD THERE BE AN AGE FOR THE STUD ALSO?

Posted by NancyH 40 days ago.

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Sorry for the delay I'm on east coast time.

Actually the female should be bred no sooner than her third heat and many of the health tests cannot be completed until the dog is two years old.

The reason you wait is to allow the female to mature in body and mind so that she can do a good job of growing pups and mothering.

Dogs bred younger have the potential to rob their systems of needed nutrients for their own growth to produce pups and also are apt to be poor mothers losing pups to inability to properly care for them.

A more mature female is apt to do better with giving you a healthy litter.

Personally no I would not breed a registered dog to one without papers for the sole purpose of creating pups for bucks. The idea of breeding purebreds is to continue to improve the breed by creating healthy high quality pups from a known background. With no papers these two dogs could be brother and sister or close cousins and you'd never know it.

 

 

Posted by NancyH 39 days and 23 hours ago.

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I see you have viewed the above answer but wanted to add one more thing.

Everyone decides what they will and will not due in dog breeding. I can tell you that in dog breeding reputation counts for a lot over time.

If you just want a stud fee you can of course breed to any dog. If you want to have a good reputation as a breeder of quality dogs then you would want to consider your choices as you start doing this as its really easy to lose good reputation and awfully hard to get it back.

39 days and 23 hours ago.

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okay, now the owner of the bitch says she is the 2nd owner. since puppy hood. i guess i could research her and find her family ancestry.then maybe if the owner can pocess the papers i will breed him.. also there was question of does she pay a fee for the stud service and stud gets pick of liter. or does stud pay a fee for her? I WONT BREED HIM UNTIL SHE GETS SOME PAPERS OR PROOF OF THE FEMALE.. WE WERE GOING TO BREED THEM AND THE LITER IS GOING TO FAMILY MEMBERS, HOW BIG OF A LITER DO THEY USUALLY PRODUCE.. THANK YOU..I DONT KNOW THIS WOMAN BUT THATS MAINLY WHY SHE WANTS TO BREED HER FEMALE FOR FAMILY NOT MONEY I SAID IF THAT WAS IT THEN WE COULD BUT SHE HAS TO SIGN AN AGREEMENT NOT TO SELL THEM AND SHE WAS OKAY WITH THAT.

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Typically in dogs you get in writing, with both parties signing the agreement you make, what the deal is.

In some cases the stud dog owner gets a fee up front. In some cases the stud owner gets first pick of puppies. In some cases if the stud owner is going to cover some of the costs of breeding the owner of each dog splits the litter and you put in writing who gets first, third, fifth pick and what you do if there is an odd number of pups or only one puppy etc. Typically if there is a stud fee it is the price of one puppy.

Here are some stud agreement examples from different breeds

http://www.countryhomekennel.com/stud.htm

http://www.punkinheadbordeaux.com/stud.html

http://www.rottweiler.on.ca/contracts/studservice.htm

http://www.gunslingermastiffs.com/StudContract.htm

a couple from bulldog breeders

http://dog-e-stud.whatthedeuce.net/

http://www.cashsbullbabies.com/servicecontract.html

and you can see how the different terms might apply in your situation and pick and choose what you want to include.

The times I've seen problems have been when the owners only have a verbal agreement and having a stud contract in place is for both owners to know exactly waht is agreed to.

4-6 pups would be an average litter but not all may make it to grow up.

 

 

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