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ARE ALL OR ANY PORTION OF ANNUITY EARLY WITHDRWAL PENALTIES IMPOSED BY INSURANCE COMPANIES TREATED AS FEES FOR TAX PURPOSES?

Submitted: 46 days and 8 hours ago.
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Posted by LEV 46 days and 6 hours ago.

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Penalties imposed by the insurance company should not be reported as distributed to the taxpayer - and therefore are not taxable - yes - the same way as fees.

On the form 1099-R distributed amount in the box 1 - should be reported after penalties are deducted - http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1099r.pdf - please verify with the insurance company that the form filled correctly.

 

 

46 days and 6 hours ago.

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Yes, but is any portion tax deductible as a miscellaneous expense when itemizing Form 1040 expenses?

Posted by LEV 46 days and 6 hours ago.

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As that amount is not included into your income - it is not deductible.

You generally may deduct only out-of-pocket expenses.

 

46 days and 5 hours ago.

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Can the penalty be considered an out-of-pocket expense?

 

After all, a significant percent of my annuity is being withheld. It's certainly an out-of-pocket expense to me. Or is that thinking to logically for the IRS!

Posted by LEV 46 days and 5 hours ago.

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Can the penalty be considered an out-of-pocket expense? - yes - if that amount is included into taxable distribution on the form 1099-R.

 

Do you have a basis in the annuity? Did you contributed any after-tax money into the annuity? - if yes - did you fully recover your contribution? Or the distributed amount is less that whatever you put into the annuity?

 

 

46 days and 5 hours ago.

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No basis in the annuity.

 

No is the answer to all of the questions.

 

Guess, I'm just out of luck.

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Most likely - yes - as none from contribution were previously included into your income - the full amount of distribution is taxable.

You might be able to deduct losses if the amount of distribution is less than the amount of contribution. If no - there is no looses.

 

As fees are paid from before tax funds - they are already excluded from taxable income - and you may not deduct them again.

 

Sorry if you expected a different answer.

Let me know if you need any help.

 

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