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No matter what carb is on the engine it has to be primed to start. I suspect rollover valve problems. The gas must leak back to the tank overnite. where do i get a schematic or new valve? Thanks tom

Submitted: 47 days and 19 hours ago.
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Year: Pre-1983
Year (other): 1972
Make: Dodge
Make (other): Charger SE
Engine: 440 high performance

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I have changer carb types to no avail. no matter what carb it still must be leaking back to the tank for some unknown (to me) reason.

Posted by Mad Mike 47 days and 16 hours ago.

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Hi Tom. I hope I can help resolve this issue. I'll give you a few things to check.

 

With any of the carburetors that you have tried, did you verify function of the accelerator pump or pumps, and does the carb have a choke hooked up to it that is functional? Were you able to get the float levels set?

 

When you are having this issue, verify that the accelerator pumps are squirting fuel when you work the throttle open and closed, and make sure the choke is closing about 90% of the way.

 

If there are idle mixture screws, make sure they are near the base setting of 1.5 turns out.

 

Hope that helps get you on the right path.

 

Mike

 

 

47 days and 15 hours ago.

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Yes Mike all your recommendations were tried on a new carb to no avail its like the gas is sucked out overnite. You prime it to get gas to the carb and it runs top notch but if you dont start it every day you have to prime it again to get it going. I dont believe its in the float systembecause I have tried different carbs . thermo quad, afb etc. I am stumped on this the only thing i can come up with is some kind of fuel delivery to the carb problem.like maybe hoses misconnected or what i dont know. is there a fuel line schematic for that what i assume is a rollover valve next to the gastank? thank you tom

Posted by Mad Mike 47 days and 15 hours ago.

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A rollover valve could only shut off the fuel supply for safety. Could there be a fuel leak somewhere? Is it a mechanical fuel pump, and could it be leaking fuel into the engine? You need a way to isolate the fuel system components to know where it is going. You need to know is the fuel bowls in the carburetor are empty when this happens, or is only the fuel supply line to the carburetor empty. Once the engine is running well, shut it off and excercise the throttle while looking at the accelerator pump squirters. Does fuel squirt out? Now let it sit overnight and check it again. If the float bowls are empty, the accelerator pump will not squirt. If that is the case, then it is likely either leaking into the engine or out onto the intake. May I ask, how are you priming the fuel system?

 

Mike

47 days and 14 hours ago.

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Mike, to prime the carb to get it started i just pour a little gas down the bore and then turn the key. once it takes off everything is ok. no gas in the oil. it is a new engine but i drove it from california to minnesota no problem, the engine has a new mechanical fuel pump on it. after it sits overnite the bowls are empty of fuel if they would have gas in them the darn thing wouldnt need to be primed it would start. maybe the quick fix is an electric fuel pump but that doesnt solve why the carb is emply when not started regularly. its almost like the carb is being vacummed empty by some unknown method. i am still at a loss as to the fix of the problem. do you have any more ideas please. thank you tom

Posted by Mad Mike 47 days and 14 hours ago.

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Tom, This is sounding to me like a choke misadjustment or an accelerator pump mismatch.

 

If the fuel bowls were truly empty, a little fuel down the carb bore would result in a start and stall for a few times until the fuel bowls filled up.

 

Do the carburetors you are using have chokes on them? If not, then your cold starting is going to rely only on the accelerator pumps. This is why you need to verify that the accelerator pumps are functioning when you open the throttle. If there is no choke on the carburetor, the accelerator will need to be pumped 10 times or more to get enough fuel into the intake for starting. Once the engine is initially started, the fuel demand will be less.

 

Mike

47 days and 14 hours ago.

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Mike, it seems like you have gotten the picture. It takes a few times primeing to get the car started. or until the carbgets pumped up with fuel. there is an electric choke on the carb that seems to be ok the accelerator pumps wont work without fuel right! where is the gas going overnite there no leaks on the floor or manifold. my guess is the gas is somehow going back to the damn tank somehow?! does this make sense to you, in other words once the carb is full its ok but overnite something happens and its not on the floor and the carb works ok when it has the fuel. i apologize for being so ignorant but i guess i want to know where did the gas go?? sorry

Posted by Mad Mike 47 days and 14 hours ago.

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No apology necessary my friend. This is a valid question, and sometimes it's difficult to portray what is going on in text.

 

In order for the fuel to go back to the tank, the fuel pump would have to have an internal leak or the regulator would have to have a leak (if it isn't part of the pump). Does this fuel system have a return line on it with a regulator, or is it a single line system?

47 days and 13 hours ago.

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i believe the fuel pump is of the single line system but i am not positive at the moment. i am guessing that the pump has a built in regulator.

Accepted Answer

If you disconnect the fuel feed line at the carburetor, you may be able to use a fuel line or other method of testing the fuel supply to see of it leaks back. You should not be able to blow backwards through the fuel pump.

 

Mike



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