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Is there a boundary that determines when a property owner may deduct expenses [mortgage, depreciation, taxes, repair, improvements, etc] from a rental property - and when the owner may not deduct any expenses?

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Posted by Anne 53 days and 20 hours ago.

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HI XXXXXXXXXXXXX

Thank you for using justanswer. You may deduct mortgage interest, taxes, repairs, etc once the property is "rent ready". If the property is not rent ready, (for example, you purchase property that has holes in the wall, needs wiring, plumbing, etc brought up to code), then every expense you incur during the time you are bringing the property into a rent ready position is added to the basis of the home and is then part of the depreciable basis.

Please see below for more in depth information.


Publication 527 (2008), Residential Rental Property

I hope this helps.

53 days and 19 hours ago.

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If I earn over x-amount in wage income from an employer ... is there a point where x becomes too large and I am prohibited from deducting expenses from my rental property? Is there a boundary condition driven by wage income?

53 days and 19 hours ago.

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I received a prompt saying you answered my reply ... my original reply remains posted ... but your answer to my reply is not posted... can you try again?

Posted by Anne 53 days and 19 hours ago.

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Your other income, such as wages, etc, does not affect whether or not you can take the expenses against your rental income. Normally, as long as you actively participate in the rental process, (for example, you collect the rents, participate in the screening process of possible renters, etc...this was discussed in the pub 527) you may take up to a $25,000 loss.

That loss however, is reduced by 50% of the $ amount of your AGI that exceeds $100,000, so if your income exceeds $150,000 you would not be able to claim a loss on your rental property that year, however, you may carry that loss over to a future year by filing Form 8582.

I hope this helps.

53 days and 19 hours ago.

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Joint income from my employeer and my wife's employer exceeds $150K.

Our rental property is out of state, so we hired a property management firm to look after our property ... we define the terms and conditions ... and direct them ... so we are not passive.

Can we claim the full loss/expense if I am a "real estate professional"?

If so, how does the IRS define a "real estate professional"?

If this reply is outside the amount I agreed to pay, just let me know what to do next so we can get a comprehensive answer.

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.Sorry for the delay....had to leave for a while.

You are a real estate professional if you meet the following criteria:

  • More than half of the personal services you perform in all trades or businesses during the tax year are performed in real property trades or businesses in which you materially participate.

  • You perform more than 750 hours of services during the tax year in real property trades or businesses in which you materially participate.

Then this would be filed as a business on Form 1040 (Schedule C) Profit/Loss from a business., and you would be subject to 15% Self Employment tax on the net profit if greater than $400.

It doesn't sound like this would be your situation. You will be unable to claim the loss this year, but you will be able to carry it (and any future losses that you can't claim because of the AGI limitaion ) You handle this by first filing
Form 1040 (Schedule E) Supplemental Income and Loss Be sure you take every deduction you would normally be allowed against your rental income as listed in the pub 527 referenced earlier. You will want all allowed losses to carry forward for a time that you can use them. You never really totally lose these losses. If you have not been able to take them in the years they occurred, you may always take them in full in the year when you sell the rental home.

Since you can't take the loss, you will need to file Form 8582Passive Activity Loss Limitations, as part of your Federal 1040 personal tax return.

You will need to start with Section II, Special Allowance for Rental Real Estate Activities with Active Participation.

Instructions for Form 8582

I've included the instructions, but I strongly suggest that you find an Enrolled Agent , CPA, or tax professional familiar with this form to help walk you thru it at least the first time. It can be a little tricky, but its how you preserve you rental losses for future years.

I hope this helps.



Edited by Anne on 9/30/2009 at 3:54 PM

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