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We are a Georgia C-Corp and need to file our 2009 estimated taxes. I am looking for assistance calculating the estimated payments due to the IRS and GA so that we can process these today. I have all the P&L statements through Sept 2009 available. Can you assist?
Submitted: 66 days and 8 hours ago.
Category: Tax
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Posted by
Merlo
66 days and 7 hours ago.
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Hello Jach,
Can you give us the net profit you have calculated through September 2009?
Have you made any estimated payments yet earlier in the year?
66 days and 7 hours ago.
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Hi Merlo - We have not yet filed for this C-Corp this year. Our Profit y-t-d is $249,944. We need to pay GA and IRS the estimated payments. When these payments are made, do they become an 'expense' (ie reduce profits y-t-d)?
66 days and 6 hours ago.
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Hi Merlo - We have not yet filed for this C-Corp this year. Our Profit y-t-d is $249,944. We need to pay GA and IRS the estimated payments. When these payments are made, do they become an 'expense' (ie reduce profits y-t-d)?
Posted by
Merlo
66 days and 6 hours ago.
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Hello jach,
Give me a few minutes to run some calculations for you and I will get back to you with a response shortly.
66 days and 6 hours ago.
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Hi Merlo -- thanks. Only reason i re-sent was justanswer came back and said that as there was no reply from you that it had been sent out to all other experts. So i was a bit confused. Maybe this is standard, it's just i haven't seen that before. Thanks Jac
Posted by
Merlo
66 days and 6 hours ago.
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Hello again jach,
If your net profit for the first 9 months of the year was $249,944, then your estimated earnings for the entire year would be $333,252. This is assuming that your profits remain at approximately the same level each month as they have for the first 9 months of the year, which is the only assumption you can make at this time. The only reason you might choose not to make that assumption is if you are in a seasonable business, and you know for certain that your profits in the last quarter will be significantly lower than they were for the first 3 months of the year.
Based on the assumption that your annual profits will be $333,252, your total estimated federal tax for the year would be $113,218. This is based on the following corporate tax rate schedule.
Between $0 to $50,000 - Tax is 15%
Between $50,000 and $75,000 - Tax is $ 7,500 + 25% of amt over $50,000
Between $75,000 and $100,000 - Tax is $13,750 + 34% of amt over $75,000
Between $100,000 and $335,000 - Tax is $22,250 + 39% of amt over $100,000
Between $335,000 and $10,000,000 - Tax is $113,900 + 34% of amt over $335,000
Since your estimated tax for the year is $113,218, normally you would pay 1/4 of that amount to cover your quarterly estimate. However, if you have not yet made any payments yet in 2009, you will now pay 3/4 of that amount due, which would be $84,914. In addition, since payments were not made for the first two quarters, you should include an additional amount equal to 6% of the tax due to cover interest that you will be charged for not making the estimated payments by the due dates. So your total estimated federal payment should be $84,914 plux $5,095 for interest, or a total of $90,009.
Your estimated Gerogia tax liability will be based on the same estimated annual income of $333,252. Georgia's corporate tax rate is a flat 6%, so your estimated tax liability for the year in the state of GA will be $19,995. You should plan to pay 3/4 of that amount, for a total of $14,996. You should also add a 6% interest factor here as well because no payments were made earlier in the year. So your total estimated tax payment to the state of GA should be $15,895.
These tax payments will be booked as a tax expense that will reduce your actual profits, but the deduction will not be taken in to account for tax purposes. In other words, just to use a simple example -- if your company has net profits in the first quarter of $100,000 and you pay $20,000 in taxes, this will reduce your profit on the books to $80,000 for the quarter. However, for the purposes of figuring your future quarterly tax payments, you will still use $100,000 as the taxable amount to be taken in to consideration.
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Thank you jach, and let me know if you have more questions.
66 days and 5 hours ago.
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Hi Merlo -- Answer is excellent, and i greatly appreciate the education on this subject. We'll proceed accordingly. Meanwhile, i do have another question and like to work with you. If i can pose that here and get the answer then i will go ahead and do the accept once you response and add a bonus to the acceptance of the previously agreed fee of $45. Here's my question.
Our C-corp is part of a consolidated group and has a subsidiary (also a GA corporation). We have just elected to file as a consolidated group in 2008 (return just filed earlier this week). This c-corp currently runs accrual books. However, to date, the subsidiary has run cash books. Will the subsidiary corporation need to change its accounting method from cash to accrual?
Accepted Answer
Hello again jac,
The subsidiary can continue to use the cash method of accounting for its books, but for tax purposes it will have to convert its earnings to the accrual basis before the tax filing is made. For this reason, it will be simpler from an accounting standpoint to just have the subsidiary convert to the accrual method.
If this was helpful please press the Accept button. Positive feedback is also appreciated.
Thank you jac.
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