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I have a small business in Montana. I show an ID number, but am wondering if that is my state tax id number. Also, do I need to have a separate federal business tax id?
Submitted: 65 days and 2 hours ago.
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I've been on the internet trying multiple sites including the Montana Secretary of State's website, talked with a banker, local accountant, etc.
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Merlo
65 days and 2 hours ago.
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Hello XXXXXXXX,
Your federal ID number would be a 9 digit number. If your business is located in Montana, the first two digits would be 81. So the number format would be 81-XXXXXXX
If your business has employees, you would need a separate state ID number from Montana. If your business collects states sales taxes you would also need a separate state sales tax ID number. If you have no employees and you collect no sales tax, then all of your other business can be conducted under your federal tax number.
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Thank you XXXXXXXX.
65 days and 2 hours ago.
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Where would I be able to find this information? As you can see, I've looked in a variety of places, but must be looking in the wrong location. Shouldn't it be located in my organization packet I received when I established my business?
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Merlo
65 days and 2 hours ago.
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How is your business set up? Are you established as an LLC, C Corp, partnership?
65 days and 2 hours ago.
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Yes. The business is set up as an LLC. My father and I are partners in the business. Unfortunately, I am away from the area in which I run my business for 9 months. I teach in Alaska and the business, as mentioned is in Montana. My father helps run it from there.
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Hello again XXXXXXXX,
I am not certain what the state would or would not have sent with your business packet. But the rules that MT follows are really the same rules followed by every state.
Basically if have an LLC with two members, you have a partnership. You will be required to file a partnership tax return with the IRS and with the state. Both of those tax returns ask for your federal ID number. It's much the same as an individual who uses his SS number for both state and federal returns. There is no need for a separate number.
The only time that you need a separate number for the state is when you are collecting state taxes -- either state income taxes from payroll deductions or sales taxes on retail sales that you have made. That is the only time that a separate number is required for the state.
My guess is that when you registered with the state, if you did not indicate that you would have employees, then perhaps they did not send you the information for employers, as it would not be required in your case.
I don't know that you are going to find any one specific web page that tells you this information. You would probably need to refer to the state of MT website for employers to obtain information on a state ID for payroll tax purposes, and you would have to refer to the Department of Revenue's website for information on a sales tax ID. But if you are simply looking for a website that tells you what you need and do not need, I am not sure any such thing exists. I just happen to know that these are the rules that all states follow.
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65 days and 1 hours ago.
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Okay,
I think I have this straight. Since my father and I are in a partnership and have no other employees and we do not collect income taxes for employees then we would file the business taxes using only the state provided tax identification number for both the state and federal taxes.
We then file our business taxes as a partnership tax with the income deductions shown on that filing?
65 days and 1 hours ago.
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Thanks for the help. I suppose that I'll go ahead and have a local tax agent prepare my taxes for the business. I certainly appreciate you time and all the help you've provided. While I still have a ton of questions, I can do additional research on my own and don't want to take too much of your time... especially since was only willing to pay $15 for the service. I will most likely pay more for the advise next time...
Again, Thanks for the help.
Martin Smith
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PALS Resource Management Services, LLC
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Hello again XXXXXXXX,
First, the tax id number you have should be one that was issued to you by the IRS and not by the state. It should be a 9 digit number that starts with the number 81. The first two digits of every federal ID number indicate the state, and 81 indicates MT. So the number you should be using should be 81-XXXXXXX
As a partnership, you will need to File Form 1065 with the IRS and Form PR-1 with the state of MT. These are informational returns only. No tax is paid with these forms. The partnership strictly provides information on these returns to show the income and expenses and profits or losses of the partnership.
The partnership then issues K-1 forms to each of the partners to report each partner's share of the profit or loss from the business. This K-1 form basically takes the place of a W-2 form that an employer would send to an employee, only it is much more detailed than a W-2 form. Each partner will then report his share of the profits or losses as shown on that K-1 form on his own personal tax return, and will pay taxes accordingly.
Your federal ID number (81-xxxxxxx) will be used on the Form 1065 that you file with the IRS and on the Form PR-1 that you file with the state of MT. That is your partnership's ID number.
The income or loss from the K-1 forms that will be issued to you and your father will then be reported on your own personal returns, and of course you will just use your SS number as you normally would on your personal tax returns.
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Thank you XXXXXXXX.
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