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I have been attempting to get a litter of pups from my bitch, (a spectacularly good-looking all ginger red heeler, think a Pembroke Corgi coat on a robust dog of normal build) by a very similar dog, but not known to be experienced. They have been left shacked up together after her reddish discharge appeared to have stopped. She appeared receptive to the dog but mating was not observed. But after returning here there was another red discharge after which I took her to be with the dog again for Tuesday Wednesday Thursday morning. Later that day there was a small red discharge. On Friday morning she got out and ran with another dog, a border collie who roams about and I observed them "tied" about noon. By Saturday morning she had a get lost response to the other dog's advances.

What is likely to happen if the pregnancy is allowed to run, bearing in mind that by the book a notional 5-day fertile period would be indicated monday to friday and both dogs would seem likely to have impr

Submitted: 70 days and 14 hours ago.
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Pet's Sex: Female
Pet's Age: 7

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Hi XXXXXXXX,

 

'If there were more than one tie then she will have a mix of puppies. Even though you did not see her and the desired dog tie, sometimes it can still happen if the male tries to mount but does not tie inside her, it's called a slip mating.

 

 

Now generally you would wait until the bloody discharge is done before mating because the bloody discharge means she is in the first stage of heat so she may not be willing to take to another dogs advances in that stage. Once that bloody discharge stops and you see a pale yellow discharge , then this is the time you want to bring them together and there is a limited window of time to accomplish this. Anywhere from 4 to 9 days and this can also vary from dog to dog. Generally when the female is ready and in the second stage, she will put her tail to the side when the male approaches, this is called flagging. She may even move it to the side if you pet her hind end.

 

So it is possible the her window was short if she let one dog tie and now wants nothing to do with any other dog.

 

Gestation is usually around 63 day from a tie but you will still want to confirm pregnancy around day 25 with a sonogram because some dogs will go through a false pregnancy in the third stage of heat which will show all the same symptoms of a pregnant dog.

 

If she is pregnant the vet will probably suggest you change her food at a certain time so she has the energy to take care of the pups and he milk has enough protein for the pups to thrive on.

 

Here is more on the heat cycle of dogs. http://www.petplace.com/dogs/the-heat-cycle-of-dogs/page1.aspx

 

Here is a great site on pregnancy to how to care and prepare for a pregnant dog to how the pups are developing each week.

 

http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/medical/whelping.html#timeline-pups

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Expert: Sally Grott
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Answered: 9/13/2009

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24 years training & behavior,pet first aide, Therapy dog eval., PA Animal Response Team

70 days and 12 hours ago.

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My bitch responded by "flagging" enthusiastically when taken to the approved dog and that was 8 or maybe 9 days prior to the non-approved mating incident and about 2 days from the apparent end of regular red discharge, which had gone on for over a week (unfortunately I did not note the start date). The dog mounted but was not getting it up prior to my leaving the scene on the first occasion, and subsequent events if any were in the privacy of a private shed. But what am I to make of the 2 observed "late" incidents of red discharge. I would be prepared not to abort if it is likely that most of the pups come from the right dog who probably did do the deed over parts of 5 days in an interval of 7. The wrong dog got in on the last day before the get lost reaction started and flagging had stopped. Would it not be most likely that the eggs available, would have been fertilized prior to the last mating?

Posted by Sally Grott 70 days and 4 hours ago.

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If both dogs mated her then you are going to have a mix of both of the dogs as the father, so there will be pups from both doners, but each pup will have one father.

There is DNA testing for dogs now so that may be an option for you.



Edited by Sally Grott on 9/13/2009 at 11:48 AM

69 days and 17 hours ago.

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I have done some more looking up answers and I think now that of the 2 late reddish discharges the first could have been blood from an injury - it was a stain on a doona cover - and the second minor sticky pink on the dog, the pinkish version of what is normally yellow. I think the bitch has a long fertile period. If this is the case would the dog who got in first and for longest have fertilised all or nearly all of the available eggs?

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Well not necessarily.

Dogs can release multiple eggs and they can be fertilized by whichever dog's semen is present. If more than one male bred her, that's how many fathers the puppies can have. the main reason everyone gets a fair shot at the eggs is because the semen wait a day or two before fertilizing the eggs.

When a dog ovulates the eggs are not totally mature. They finish maturing as they enter into the uterine horns. Then whatever dog's semen is present releases from the uterine lining and heads for the eggs.

Now one single puppy cannot have two different fathers. Each puppy will get half of it's DNA makeup from Mom and one Father, but since often dogs have litters it's possible for two puppies from the same litter to have 2 different sires.

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