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our son turned 18 in 2007, a senior of high school. He graduated in June of 2008. His utma account matured 2007. He did not file a return nor his investment was included in our tax return. Now IRS is asking for his tax return. the matured value of his investment is 23000. it hasn't been touched, nor converted. it is still sitting in a broker's account, earning small interests. it will be used as his college tuition as it was intended when he transfers to University. he is in community college. He had no regular income in 2007 except 1099- Div for $902 and $23000 were reported to IRS. I've researched about the utma/capital gain, etc extensively but the results regarding this issue are pretty grim. If I can find a way to minimize the tax payment to the IRS, I would be happy to pay or have you do the return

Submitted: 109 days and 8 hours ago.
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Posted by LEV 109 days and 3 hours ago.

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Hi,

according to Just Answer rules I may not contact customers outside this site and may not prepare your tax return.

However - I would be happy to help you with finding answer on your questions.

 

Generally - UTMA account is not tax sheltered account - and any income earned in this account should be reported on the tax return.

As the account is under your son's name - he is required to file a tax return - or you as a parent should help him.

It is clear that dividend income reported on the 1099div is taxable income - my understanding - it was $902

It is not clear if $23,000 were also reported as dividends or that amount was reported on the form 1099B - as gross proceeds from a broker - if so - you need to determine the basis - please verify how that amount was reported - that is very important to calculate his tax liability.

If - for instance shares were purchased on his account for $20,000 and sold for $23,000 - the total amount $23,000 is reported to the IRS, but his taxable income would be only $3000.

 

Please let me know more details.

 

108 days and 20 hours ago.

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sorry not included in my questions: the utma acct was set up apprx 18 years ago at apprx $5000. I calld for the exact base and waiting for an answer from broker.

Posted by LEV 108 days and 19 hours ago.

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The UTMA account - is not tax defered account.

Regardless if it was closed or not - your son is responsible for taxes each year he had an income.

As we are talking about 2007 - we need to clarify which income your son had in 2007 according to reporting documents.

We will discuss other years income and responsibilities after we clarify 2007.

 

I am still not clear and need confirmation from you:

-- did your son receive the form 1099-div for 2007 which reports $902 as taxable dividends?

-- did your son receive the form 1099-b for 2007 which reports $23,000 as gross proceeds from a broker?

 

If you have copies of reporting documents - please take a look;

If you do not have a reporting documents - ask your broker for copies.

 

If your son kept his investments in stocks or mutual fund - each year his account most likely was credited with dividends and/or interest.

I would like to ask you to contact the broker and get information for every year - which amount of interest and dividends was credited - that is very important because it should be added to the basis.

 

I am still waiting for additional information from you.

 



Edited by LEV on 8/5/2009 at 3:26 PM

108 days and 10 hours ago.

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I found 2007 brokcer's tax reporting statement;
1099-div - $902.00 (interest)
1099-B 2007 proceeds from broker and barter exchange transactions $
US Treasury Sec Stripped Int Pmt 0.00% Quantity 23000
redemption payout 2/15/07 23,000

1099-OID 2007 Original Issue Discount
US Treasury Sec Stripped Int Pmt 0.00% $140.99.

no returned call from broker yet.

P.S. can't access personal email during workking hr.

Posted by LEV 108 days and 3 hours ago.

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It is much clear now.

So there are two types of income in 2007

-- dividend income reported on the form 1099-div $902,

-- original issue discount reported on the form 1099-OID $141 - should be treated as interest income and is taxable as it accrues over the term of securities.
US Treasury Sec Stripped Int Pmt 0.00% $140.99.

-- capital gain resulted from selling US Treasury Securities reported on the form 1099-B - gross proceeds $23,000

 

On your son's 2007 tax return - http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/f1040--2007.pdf

the dividend income reported on the line 9b - I assume that are qualified dividends and therefore will be taxed at reduced tax rate.

 

The amount $23,000 reported on the form 1099-B - the IRS will treat a s taxable income unless you report it on your tax return.

The taxable capital gain is determined on the schedule D - http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/f1040sd--2007.pdf

as your son held securities more than a year - it will be long term capital gain - should be reported on line 8.

in column (d) you will have $23,000

and in column (e) you should put the basis.

The cost basis is mainly the purchase price $5000 - according to your information - plus any accrued interest - that means your son received the form 1099-OID every year he owned securities - and all should be added to the basis.

I assume that the basis should be $23,000 and there will not be any capital gain.

 

But the IRS doesn't know about the basis - and know only that your son received $23,000 of taxable income - that is why you received a letter from the IRS.

So you need to report that transaction on the schedule D with zero capital gain.

 

So far I see your son's adjusted gross income $902 +$141 = $1043

If he was your dependent - his standard deduction for 2007 would be $850 , and

taxable income $193

His 2007 estimated income tax liability $19 plus any penalty and interest for not filing and not paying on time. - http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/i1040tt--2007.pdf

 

Any tax preparer in your area will be able to prepare your son's tax return.

Let me know if you need any help.

 

107 days and 21 hours ago.

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Would the brokers have 1099-OID informaiton going back to 1990? what if they can't provide the infomation this late then where else could I look for the accurate OID info? And if OID should be added to the basis, then shouldn't $141 be included in the basis as well? therefore his 2007 income is at $902 instead of $1043?

I sincerely grateful for your helpful advice. I may need to file the return myself for him. how could I be able to ask additional questions once I accepted?

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Based on the information you provided - the money were invested into US Treasury Securities - that means - instead of paying interest such securities are sold with discount from the nominal and Original Issue Discount every year.

When matured - your son was paid a nominal value - while that still need to be confirmed - there should not be any capital gain.

You do not need to have 1099-OID form for all years - but it is also possible that these securities were purchase not 18 years ago but later and we still not certain about purchase price - so you still need to contact your broker.

 

original issue discount reported on the form 1099-OID $141 - should be treated as interest income and is taxable as it accrues over the term of securities - so every year your son received such income - it was taxable - there is no difference for 2007.

see some additional information here - http://www.treasurydirect.gov/instit/marketables/strips/strips.htm

 

When you sell securities - the total proceeds is reported on the form 1099-B.

If you did not file the tax return - the IRS will treat the total amount as taxable income.

The IRS doesn't know what did you sell and what was your basis - they only know the total amount you received.

If my suggestions above are correct - your basis is your original purchase price plus all interest paid over the time you owned securities - that all together should be equal to the nominal amount.

In this case you should report the sale transaction on the schedule D and because the selling price and a basis are equal - there will not be any capital gain.

But that still should be reported to avoid possible questions from the IRS - as it was in your case.

 

Reporting interest income and including it into the basis - are two different transactions and they do not exclude each other.

You may ask questions in this thread as you wish and I am sorry that sometimes I am not able to respond promptly.

 

As you are not familiar with the subject and because the issue already attracted the IRS attention - I would suggest to have a local tax preparer to file your son's tax return.

If you still decide to do on your own - you may want to have someone to go through all your paperwork and verify the filing.

You may use Second Look service from HRBlock - http://hrblock.com/ - enter your zipcode to locate the office - or any other tax preparation business.

 

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