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I am a county employee with a gross salary of $48,850 per year and a Nationwide Deferred Compensation Account. I plan to retire in the next two years and am 65 years old. Is my gross salary or my salary, less the deferred amount ,counted when computing my monthly Social Security due me based on my five highest yearly salaries? It appears that my deductions from my salary for heallth insurance are also not counted as part of my gross salary. Can you please clarify this? Carol Murray, Baltimore, MD.

Submitted: 131 days and 8 hours ago.
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Posted by Ed Johnson 131 days and 8 hours ago.

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Dear XXXXXXXXXX,

 

How this is handled depends on if the plan you have is a qualified or non-qualified plan.

 

do you know if the plan you are referring to is qualified or non-qualified?

131 days and 8 hours ago.

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I do not know the difference but can find out on my county web site.

131 days and 7 hours ago.

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As soon as I hear from the Nationwide representative, I will get back to you. Is that okay?

131 days and 7 hours ago.

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It is non-qualified.

Posted by Ed Johnson 131 days and 7 hours ago.

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Dear XXXXXXXXXX,

 

That is ok, let me answer this way;

 

If the plan is nonqualified, it is subject to taxes at the time you are paid.

 

a. The general FICA RULE for nonqualified plans:
NQDC amounts are taken into account for FICA tax purposes at the later of when the services are performed or when there is no substantial risk of forfeiture with respect to the employee's right to receive the deferred amounts in a later calendar year.

Thus, amounts are subject to FICA taxes at the time of deferral, unless the employee is required to perform substantial future services in order for the employee to have a legal right to the future payment.

If the employee is required to perform future services in order to have a vested right to the future payment, the deferred amount (plus earnings up to the date of vesting) are subject to FICA taxes when all the required services have been performed. FICA taxes apply up to the annual wage base for Social Security taxes and without limitations for Medicare taxes.

For Qualified plans, the FICA is not taken at the time of the deferrel.

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131 days and 7 hours ago.

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I know that the deferred compensation is not taxed until I retire and receive distribution. My question is whether Social Security counts it as part of my gross salary when computing my five highest salaried years to determine my monthly payment.

Accepted Answer

Dear XXXXXXXXXX,

 

Oh,, I see, thanks for that. Yes, it is counted.

 

It is not included automatically. the employer has to file a special wage payment form with the SSA to ensure it is included.

 

Please see the following form:

http://www.ssa.gov/online/ssa-131.pdf

 

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