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Hello,
My name is XXXX XXX I've been having issues with my Cichlid tank for a few weeks now. I lost 9 fish so far and I'm lost as to what is the cause. I've seeked help and treatments from several pet stores and nothing is helping. The crazy thing is that whatever the cause is, it appears to attack a fish at a time, one dies and then I notice the same thing on another fish. I took a photo of my last fish so I have it if needed.
First sign, normally starts with redness or swelling in the mouth or lips, sort of looks as if it got punched in the mouth. The fish stops eating at this point. They still swim very well. Then at the base of every fin (gills, dorsal, anal and tail) it looks as if they are bleeding and the area looks stained and then it spreads out.
I've torn down my tank and sterlized everything yesterday and added my fish back in, minus the new one that is sick. I have a medication tank.

Any suggestions???
Thanks,

Tony

Submitted: 297 days and 3 hours ago.
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Breed: cichlids

Already Tried:
Fungas and parasite treatments, Melafix, pimafix, Triple Sulfa. Increase salt, higher temp, water changes.

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Hello,
My name is XXXX XXX I've been having issues with my Chiclid tank for a few weeks now. I lost 9 fish so far and I'm lost as to what is the cause. I've seeked help and treatments from several pet stores and nothing is helping. The crazy thing is that whatever the cause is, it appears to attack a fish at a time, one dies and then I notice the same thing on another fish. I took a photo of my last fish so I have it if needed.
First sign, normally starts with redness or swelling in the mouth or lips, sort of looks as if it got punched in the mouth. The fish stops eating at this point. They still swim very well. Then at the base of every fin (gills, dorsal, anal and tail) it looks as if they are bleeding and the area looks stained and then it spreads out.
I've torn down my tank and sterlized everything yesterday and added my fish back in, minus the new one that is sick. I have a medication tank.

Any suggestions???
Thanks,

Tony

Posted by TROPICAL FISH AFICIONADO 296 days and 20 hours ago.

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Hi Tony and sorry to hear about this frustrating problem you're encountering.

Also please accept my apologies for not responding to you sooner as your question came in shortly after I had signed off for the evening.

 

I'd like to ask you a few questions so as to have a better understanding of the situation.

 

How many gallons/litres of water does the tank hold?

 

How many fish were/are in the tank?

 

When did you first set-up the tank, in other words how long has the tank been up and running with fish in it?

 

During this time period of problems did you test the water for levels of ammonia and nitrites and if so what were the exact results?

 

You mentioned that you did water changes during this time period, how much water was changed (25%, 50%, 100% etc etc) and how frequently?

 

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TROPICAL FISH AFICIONADO39960.5900571412

296 days and 17 hours ago.

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No need to apologize.
I have a 125 gallon tank.
I had 24 fish , lost nine going on 10. I’ve added 3.
I've had this tank up and running for well over 7 years and I’ve never had any issues.
I always test my water. I have my own RO unit. I also have a Discus tank and they are fine. As a matter of fact, I have 5 tanks all together and 4 of the tanks are doing great.
The nitrite level showed and still shows 0 ppm
The nitrate level showed 0ppm and still shows 0 ppm
The ammonia level showed and still shows 0 ppm
The pH level showed 7.8 and it is currently at 7.6 since I did a complete tear down.

When I treat my tank, I do a 25% water change as directed, but due to the severity of my situation, I was doing between 30 to 50% water change after treating the tank. I would say that I was doing a water change about every 3 days. This past Sunday, I moved the fish to a temp tank and took everything out of the tank and soaked the lace rocks in 180 degree water and then scrubbed them. I then cleaned the tank, filters (2), powerheads (2), heaters (2) and then the bottom rocks. I filled the tank back up with 75% RO and 25% tap. I treated the tap water and added nitroband and stress reflief.   I also added salt (amount for 90 gallons, due to rocks). My fish are eating and swimming around like always, so it wasn't to stressful. I have one fish that shows the beginning signs of whatever this is.

I’ve had fish tanks for well over 17 years and I’ve never saw anything like this.

Here’s some more history.   About 3 weeks or so ago, I had a brand new heater get stuck. The water temp climbed to 92. I only lost one fish. I slowly lowered the water temp back down to 78, 3 days after that, a couple of fish got ick, so I treated the tank, ick was gone. During this time is when I started having issues with my fish. One at a time they started getting sick and then dying. I thought that maybe it was due to the heater, but I’ve added new fish and some of them got it and died. It appears only to be attacking the larger fish. My 3” and smaller fish have not been affected, or so it seems.


I have pics if you need them.

Thanks,
Tony

Accepted Answer

HI again and thank you for the information.

 

There's a few things going on here so I'll be commenting/advising on a variety of topics with regards XX XXXX tank's situation.

 

The first thing I'd like to touch upon is the use of RO water. Unless you have unsuitable source water, using RO water isn't really necessary and might even be depriving the fish of necessary minerals contained in dechlorinated tap water.

 

Keep in mind that as you've just done a complete 100% water change (75%=RO, 25%=tap water) the tank water will begin to cycle. I assume you're aware of the cycling process, if not, listed below is a link which will explain it.

 

Ok as for the problem(s). The symptoms you've described=swelling of the mouth and redness of the fins are an indication of a bacterial infection. The name for the disease associated with the redness (bleeding) of the fins is called Hemorrhagic Septicemia

which is internal bleeding/hemmoraging. You also mentioned the tank having a bout with Ick.

 

When a tank has chronic disease issues the culprit is usually unfavorable water conditions and/or the addition of a new fish who has brought a disease into the tank.

 

Unfavorable water conditions can be caused by the presence of ammonia and nitrites, high levels of nitrates and/or improper water conditions for the fish, i.e., too high of a ph for a fish that requires a low ph, too low of a water temperature for a fish that needs higher water temperature, etc. etc.

 

Assuming the water parameters, i.e. ammonia/nitrites/nitrates, are fine the way to treat this is to first make sure that conditions are suited to the fish, once again temperature and ph being the priority here. Once confirmed begin to treat the tank with a medicine called Triple Sulfa, click on 2nd link below for a view of the product, which can be found at most major pet stores where fish are sold. Just follow the directions on the product label for dosage.

 

Now keep in mind Tony that if the tank is cycling this becomes a whole different scenario in which the medicine will be ineffective and the fish will encounter a whole another set of problems due to the formation of ammonia and nitrites in a cycling tank

So this needs to be seriously taken into consideration.

 

On a final note. You mentioned that the nitrate level=-0-. This is extremely rare and borderlines the impossible in a fish tank. Generally one would only see this in a newly set-up tank or a tank that has just undergone a very big or 100% water change.

 

I'm not questioning the fact that this is the test reading you read but I'm wondering if the test kit might be expired or something. So what I suggest you do is when you test the water, right after testing it take a water sample to your local pet store (they'll usually test for free) and let them test the water and compare the results.

 

Best wishes and please let me know if you have any questions.

 

http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/cycling.htm

 

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4829

 

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296 days and 16 hours ago.

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Thanks for the info and I'll see what happens. I acually treated my tank last night with Triple Sulfa. I ordered more, since it requires 3 treatments.

Posted by TROPICAL FISH AFICIONADO 296 days and 12 hours ago.

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You're quite welcome and I'm glad you've already started using Triple Sulfa but remember to monitor the water parameters via testing.

 

Thank you for the accept.

 

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