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I ave just adopted a retired racing Greyhound and brought him home despite being told that he had chronic though asymptomatic erhlichiosis. I am treating him with the antibiotic - doxcycycline as directed by the veterinarian who took care of him and diagnosed him and she feels that he will be fine ater the 30 days of treatment. He is eating well, does not seem to suffer any pain, sleeps like all Greyhounds do - 80% of the time, and is goodnatured and happy. My fear arises from the word chronic!. Can you help me?

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Age: 6; Male; Breed: Greyhound

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I failed to say that he is asymptomatic...and is acting as though there is no problem at all. He has been on the doxy for two weeks and is eating well, and seems to be a very happy dog.

Posted by NancyH 304 days and 4 hours ago.

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Chronic means its ongoing over a long period of time, while progressing slowly, and not a new infection.

With tick carried diseases the doxycycline does a good job of eliminating the infection but if damage was done such as arthritic changes to joints that won't be undone.

Asymptomatic means there are no symptoms of the problem other than that it showed up on a test. That is good!

So do the meds and he is likely going to be fine just as your vet said.

You can read about tick diseases here

http://www.mirage-samoyeds.com/tick.htm

Hope this helps you!

 

 

304 days and 3 hours ago.

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I appreciate your response but feel there is more that I need to know. Everything that I have read - and that is a lot - says that the chronic disease has a bad prognosis. does this always apply....do I have to be watchful for anything unusual?, how optimistic can I be? I would like to accept your response and will if these ongoing concerns a responded to. Thank you.

304 days and 3 hours ago.

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I am still waiting for a response to my reply . Is there a problem? I would like to be able to accept the response and will as soon as it answers my question in full. Thank you

Posted by NancyH 304 days and 3 hours ago.

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If the chronic disease had symptoms I'd be concerned about those. But as he is asymptomatic that means there is nothing seen that the tick disease is doing to him.

Many dogs get a tick carried disease and their immune system fights it. In the tick disease FAQ listed above the sub acute (ie no symptoms) phase is listed as this

"SUB-ACUTE (SUB-CLINICAL):

Untreated, the disease may move into the sub-clinical phase. The dog's body weight normalizes and laboratory abnormalities may be quite subtle. Thrombocytopenia (low platelets) may or may not be present. This phase of disease can last for months or years as long as the dog is not subjected to something that causes undue stress. The parasite is essentially living with the host in stasis; not overpowering the dogs immune system. "

So treating it and resolving it before any visible disease is triggered may work fine.

Of course you can't know how the future will turn out. If you are enjoying him and all is going well will it be worth it to have time with him? That is always the question when you adopt.

Sorry about the delay in replying had to cope offline with a broken hot water heater repair guy!

304 days and 3 hours ago.

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I hope that you are familiar with the retired racers. My dog has been definitely diagnosed as being in the chronic stage of this disease. He is not sub acute at this time, he is chronic according to the veterinarian at the Wheeling, West Virginia race track where he ran until two years ago. He has been kenneled there in the GPA kennel right at the track since then. I do not live there...I am in Virginia... about five hours aways from Wheeling, and cannot find a vet who is familiar with the different physiology of the Greyhounds. I am hoping that someone there can answer my questions to help remove the fear I have for him. I don't want to think that I am just going to have to settle for enjoying what time I may have with him....that doesn't do it for me. He is six and potentially can live to be fifteen if all goes well with him! I am sorry that I do not have the results of those tests done on him that revealed the extent of his illness....but certainly am happy that he is asymptomatic at this time. I don't even know if he ever had symptoms. To enjoy what time I have with him sounds very fatalistic and what I need is reassurance based on the medical details of this terrible disease. Can you give that to me? Thank you.

Posted by NancyH 304 days and 3 hours ago.

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Chronic is one thing. Asymptomatic is another.

Chronic means what I said above. I think the word was maybe not used correctly in the terms you were given it.

Yes I know a fair amount about greyhound health due to local track rescuers that I know.

here is one article directly on tick diseases and greyhounds

http://www.geocities.com/bo_freddy/ticks.html

They discuss treatment as being successful.

For them chronic means final stage of illness where the dog is very ill and dies - which is not what you have described.

I find one must always be fatalistic with animals - they do not live as long as we do and we always lose them too soon no matter how long we have them. You have to know there is heartbreak coming unless your pet is a long lived tortoise or another long lived creature.

As I've adopted many senior dogs I've always found it worth having known them no matter how long we have together.

I would suggest you go back to the rescue and get the exact medical results to make sure you are comfortable with the adoption.

No one can predict what will happen in the future with health on any pet.

I do doublt that the rescue would adopt out a dog that was in end stages of fatal illness.

 

 

304 days and 2 hours ago.

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I am not satisfied with the response that you have given me....I am probably far more experienced with dogs of many different breeds, but mst especially Greyhounds than you are and was hoping for a concise medical response that would help me. I am totally familiar with the records that came with him, and also have lived with and enjoyed dozens of dogs in my long lifetime. How lucky I am that I can still take care of a big handsome 85 pounder that this fawn male is and just need more than the philosophical responses that you are giving me....all of which I am of course very familiar with. I don't want to just enjoy the time I have with him....I want to know the best possible way to help get him as much time as I can! Since I cannot find a vet here who is capable of answering questions about Greys I had hoped that you might be able to help. Because they are so different from any other breed ...they are indeed a breed apart....it does take some familiarity with them to be able to give me advice. I had hoped that might be the case here. Where can I go from here to get what I need. Thank you

 

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You said you didn't have the medical information which is why I suggested you get it.

I'll opt out and see if someone else can tell you more.

I do think the best option is to work with the vet the rescue deals with for advice to pass to your vet.

While the breed is 'different' they are not that different and treament should work if the dog has no symptoms of the disease.

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