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school project rooftop unit has a old transformer two wires for 208v primary has no wires for 24v secondary butt has seven outlets my question is does it have a commen to complete the circle

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Posted by Mark Henley 192 days and 1 hours ago.

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Hi,

 

So let me understand it has a 208 2 wire primary and 7 outlets at what voltage ? 110V or 24 ?

 

Are you referring to a common or a neutral wire ? I guess what I am asking is if you want to know how the secondary voltage is produced without a neutral wire ? or please advise.

 

Thanks

 

Mark

192 days and 1 hours ago.

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THE SEVEN OUTLET ARE 24 VOLTS I PRESUME AND YES I AM REFERING TO NEUTRAL I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE IS POWER AND NUETRAL ON THE OUTLETSAT 24 VOLTS THANK YOU

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Hi,

 

No , it is considered a 24 floating source transformer if there is no ground. Basically you can tell this if you measure each secondary leg to ground and get 12 volts on each side. It doesn't work like your house voltage where there would typically be a neutral wire and the use of just one leg of a 208 source and you get 120 volts out of it measuring across.

 

The transformer just steps down the exact same condition that it sees, its kind of a dumb part. So if you feed it 2 hot legs of 208 its just going to knock it down to 2 wires of 24 volts ( measured across its wires ) 12 volts to ground just as each leg of the 208 measured to ground would give you 120 ( it = 120 for a different reason that has to with the type of transformer that generates it ) the 208 to 24 xfrmr doesn't have that characteristic so don't get hung up on the 120 not being directly half of the 208 , it has to do with the sine of the phase. The sine is typically .59 ,

 

So there is no actual common wire unless the transformer is tapped and one leg is dedicated as the common wire. If you can measure either wire to ground and get 24 volts then it is a grounded transformer and not a floating one. Let me know if this is what you were looking for.

 

Thanks

 

Mark

 

 

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192 days and 1 hours ago.

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WE DONT HAVE THE SAME REPLACEMENT, IT'S SO OLD. WE HAVE 208 TO 24 VOLT TRANSFORMER REPLACEMENT BUT IT HAS 2 WIRES COMING OUT ON THE 24V SIDE DOES THAT MEAN IT HAS ONE WIRE NUETRAL AND ONE HOT SIDE OR ARE BOTH HOTCOMING OUT.

Posted by Mark Henley 192 days and 1 hours ago.

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Hi,

 

It means you will still get 24 volts at each outlet but you won't know if it is floating or grounded until you put a meter on it and check each leg to ground. If you get 12 volts each to ground then it is floating and there is no real common or neutral if you get 24 volts to ground then it is grounded. The only difference is between floating and grounded. It usually doesn't matter for 24 volt loads unless it is a sophisticated electronic device that may require one type of power or the other.

 

Thanks

 

Mark

 

 

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