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I'm asking this question again to get a second opinion from another legal expert. Basicly I bought a motorcycle and was given a title to later on find out the VIN on the frame of the bike or the engine does not match the Vin on the title. I never thought to check it before I took it. I've since paid 710 for the bike and spent over 1500 to get it rode safe and legal to ride. The BMV cannot issue a title without it matching the frame, and speaking with the seller he doesn't have the other title. The BMV saids he would have to go through a process to reconstruct a title and this process would take about 2 months(end of riding season), I'd have to give him the bike so they could verify the new VIN. I would have to trust he would do this on a timely manner and give me the bike back. Since the title doesn't match anyways. The question is do I have a case if I go to small claims and ask for compensation on the believe I was sold a title to a bike I don't have and cannot title?

Submitted: 193 days and 3 hours ago.
Category: Legal
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Called the headquarters for the BMV in Illinois and I live in Indiana. Contacted the seller trying to get this rectified

Posted by socrateaser 193 days and 2 hours ago.

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You could sue for reformation based upon mutual mistake, i.e., both you and the seller believed that title was valid. As a consequence, you will suffer $X damages to obtain valid title, which would include the reasonable rental value for the lost use of the vehicle during the two months that you did not have the bike.

 

It's not clear to me why BMV needs the physical bike to verify title, but if it does, then there's no point arguing about it. The risk would be that the bike is discovered to be stolen, and if so, then you will lose the bike to the original owner -- at which point you would be able to sue the seller for misrepresentation and you would be entitled to damages in the amount of the value of the bike as it was originally sold to you, plus the costs of your repairs, which were made in reliance upon your belief that you were getting a bike that the seller owned.

 

So, you may want to consider allowing BMV to do it's thing and see how it all turns out before suing the seller -- because your suit could turn out to be quite different depending upon the result of the BMV title search.

 

 

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Edited by socrateaser on 5/12/2009 at 12:11 AM

193 days and 2 hours ago.

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Basicly are you stating I should, if he agrees, to let him go through the process to rebuild this title and charge him X amount of dollars per day until I get it back?

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You would have to have reasonable proof of the rental value of the bike for a court, but, yes, that's where I think I would go with this.

 

 

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