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have 1992 chevy suburban with 350 engine that runs great until it warms up (2-3 min) and then starts loaping with part throttle opereation below about 30 mph. replaced tps and very little change. engine has 310,000 miles on it.

Submitted: 193 days and 15 hours ago.
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Posted by phil 193 days and 15 hours ago.

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Hi XXXXXXXX,

 

Have you checked the oil pressure in the motor during the first couple minutes when runs well versus the time after warm up when it lopes? Or versus above 30mph when it stops loping?

193 days and 15 hours ago.

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The oil pressure gauge has been erraticly (some times spins) for years but when working right it idles about 20-30 psi

Posted by phil 193 days and 15 hours ago.

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With 310,000 miles on the engine I would be looking at things other than sensor malfunction, even though a bad sensor could cause the problem. Without a reliable oil guage getting past step one with testing rather than experimentation is going to be tough. Have you tried replacing the oil pressure sending unit in the past to correct the guage problem?

 

Due to the mileage on the truck oil pressure could very easily cause what you are experiencing. When you first start the truck up the oil is cold and therefore thicker, the thicker oil creates higher pressure than after a couple minutes after it warms up and thins out. As you increase the RPM the oil pressure will climb again though. If you dont have enough oil pressure your hydraulic lifters wont "pump up" and open your valves all the way.

 

Before going through the process of testing sensors and going through the ignition and fuel systems I would perform an oil change on the truck and add heavier weight oil such as SAE 50 or using the oil you normally would but adding a thickening additive such as Lucas Oil. If the thicker oil either improves or corrects your loping condition you have found your problem. If that is your problem you can continue to run the heavier oil to put off repairs for a while, you could put in a higher volume oil pump from a company such as Melling or just opt for the inevitable engine rebuild that you are coming due for soon.

 

If that doesnt improve or correct the problem, let me know and we can start walking through the sensors, fuel and ignitionsystems.

193 days and 14 hours ago.

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The engine doesn't use any oil, smoke, or make any noise (lifters) or anything. The oil pressure aspect is something I had not considered. It starts right away every time ( ie no problem with the 2 sec fuel pump relay). Does the oil pressure gauge interface with the computer in any way that would affect the fuel pressure?

Posted by phil 193 days and 14 hours ago.

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No the oil pressure shouldnt affect anything with the computer directly. The only time the oil pressure will really trigger anything is if it is causing your lope problem as I described and was in turn triggering the knock sensor.

 

The sensors that can affect the system and cause issues are the oxygen sensor (located in the exhaust pipe) and the MAP sensor located on the intake. Either of these sensors could potentially cause your problem and also be affected by engine temperature.

 

A fuel problem or ignition problem could cause loping as well however...

 

A fuel problem will tend to get worse with higher engine RPM as the motor needs more fuel, not correct itself after 30mph. An ignition system problem shouldnt be affected by engine temperature and also be sensitive to RPM both.

193 days and 14 hours ago.

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The engine runs great at higher power settings, and it gives not trouble lights (strangely enought most of the electrical works at such high mileage). Wouldn't the oxygen sensor give me a light? Could a worn timing chain cause the problem? The knock sensor is a thought but the MAP sounds like it. Answer this one and I will get out of your hair. Thanks

Posted by phil 193 days and 14 hours ago.

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Dont worry about getting out of my hair....this is what I am here for. Technically any of the sensors should kick a code. Not having a code, however, doesnt mean that the sensor isnt malfunctioning.

 

The MAP sensor does fit to an extent...my fault in the MAP is the consistency of the problems changes. Failing sensors tend to me more erratic, but that doesnt mean the MAP isnt the cause.

 

The timing chain could begin to act up as the engine got warmer and the chain more easily stretched but shouldnt cause a problem that would go away after 30mph...it should get progressively worse. As the engine turned faster the more stress that would be on the chain which would cause it to stretch more.

 

 

193 days and 14 hours ago.

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One more that I thought of while I have you is, would a worn distributor and the slop associated with it cause it. The engine will occasionally die when starting off in the middle of a loap. My wife can hit it just right almost every time.

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Well a worn distributor could cause the loping problem but just being worn wouldnt cause a problem that would go away above 30mph. A bad distributor advance could cause the lope at a specific RPM but shouldnt be affected by the enigne being cold or warm.

 

Its the combination of the heat of the engine AND the fact that its RPM specific that leads me to the oil pressure.

 

I would rank possibilities in this order:

 

1 Oil pressure

2 Map, O2 or knock sensor

3 Odd acting vacuum leak

4 Fuel presure

5 Distributor

 

 

There are a lot of other things that "could" cause the problem but the probability is extremely low.

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193 days and 13 hours ago.

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Thanks, will try these and see what happens. It's about time to put it out to pasture anyway but it still pulls the farm trailer. Thanks

Posted by phil 193 days and 13 hours ago.

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It seems like a pretty basic problem that shouldnt be all too expensive to replace. Nothing wrong with trying to milk as many miles as possible out of it

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