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How do I get my african grey congo to stop making extremely loud beeping sounds? The beep is comparable to a smoke detector or house alarm going off and he does this noise all day, everyday. I need help!

Submitted: 211 days and 15 hours ago.
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Age: >12; Male; Breed: African Grey Congo

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Paulie has an entire room to himself that is a play gym with cages, toys, tv, window to sing to other birds, etc. I try interacting with his toys, playing with him for awhile, then leave the room. He still beeps. I've tried saying no very calm and sternly. He beeps. I've shut his door when he makes the beep, wait until he makes another sound, any other sound, and then re-enter the room. He even beeps in front of me. After a few seconds, he beeps again. I've screamed, he beeps. I've covered him up, moved his cage, changed his toys, feed him different foods, pet him, ignored it, waited until he made a new sound then responded, he still beeps. He does it everyday, all the time until around 9 pm when I turn off all the lights, cover him up, lock his cage and put him to bed. I think in part he does it for attention or for food (even when he's not hungry)but I think he likes to do it on purpose! I think he knows it is a bad behavior but continues with it anyway, even in front of me. Sometimes, I think I am going to go deaf! It causes head aches and tension in my home and I am at wits end. Is there any way to train him to not make this noise ever again? Or at least a way to decrease it tremendously! I can take every other habit(singing, wiseling, pooping, etc) of his except that one loud, ear piercing beep. (and he knows it) I do not have a home alarm system for him to mimick and my smoke detector has not gone off in ages. I know some people say it is a natural sound they might make in the wild, but he is intentially beeping at me because he's mad or something. I need help. I do not want to get rid of him but am for the first time considering it. It's been 8 years I've owned him and for the past 4 years he has made this noise, and it is getting worse everyday!
Carrie P.

Posted by S. August Abbott, CAS 210 days and 11 hours ago.

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I know exactly what you're going through. Many of the re-homed birds I deal with have maddening quirks the owners can't stand for another single day.

Being in a new home often sort of re-sets the bird, for a while anyway. This isn't the ideal option though.

Tell me more about things he doesn't like.

This could take some time, but since Paulie should live another half century or more, time is all he's got. We, on the other hand - well, I sincerely commend you for lasting 4 years with this living alarm system

206 days and 13 hours ago.

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Paulie does not like for me to ever leave the room. He wants to be the constant center of attention, even though he gets tons of attention. He tends to start his beeping when ever someone is cooking or eating even when we give him some of what we are eating. He beeps if someone comes over and does not immediatly walk into his room and say hi. He holds onto his cage and starts flapping his wings, and beeping over and over. I don't know why he gets so worked up. If he sees my neighbor coming or going out of his window he beeps to alert us, I guess. He used to do this constantly, so I moved him out from the front of the house in the front window. Everytime he would see someone get out of thier car, or walk by he would beep. He does not like men for the most part. He does like my husband some of the time because he feeds him several times a day and talks to him. Since he craves attention so much he doesn't mind it from him (almost perfers him over me sometime, which is very unusual because I'm his "mate") But he does bite men if they try and pet him, unless, and this is weird, if they have been drinking he lets anyone pet him. It must be something about loosing your inabitions when drinking and not being afraid of him. Lets see what else does he not like... at times even when he seems happy and whistling he will beep real loud in the middle of his pretty song. Its like he uses that noise when he is irritated for attention because its so loud. So I guess what i really want to know is, is there a way to commicate with him that doing the beep is bad, or is there a way to retrain him to not make certain sounds. I know dominance does not work on birds like it does with dogs, but being passive about it, ignoring it does not work either. Also, I call to him making his fimiliar sounds when I'm moving around the house, and he responds the same, but sometimes with a beep added in between! Does clipping his wings change his attitude or hormones? Any advice would help thanks! Carrie

Posted by S. August Abbott, CAS 206 days and 11 hours ago.

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You're right that birds are unique when it comes to what they respond to in training. Dominance with them is threatening and instead of having a nicer bird you'd have a fearful one. A fearful bird is loud and bites. In nature they often use their calls or shrieks to frighten away predators they see (and it works!) - an insecure bird gains security by biting in order to exercise some control over their environment. They can effectively make humans and other animals leave their space when they bite.

Paulie knows that his beeping gets a certain reaction, or even a variety of reactions and he's counting on it. To a bird, any attention is good attention.

You were on the right track in ignoring him or putting him in a time out. The only way these efforts really work though is if you monitor the amount of time. More than 5 minutes is a wasted effort - the bird may forget why they're in the time out and that's not good.

You're also right that Paulie will be an attention hound non stop if he could be. - for a parrot there's rarely any such thing as too much attention. His beeping gets that. To be honest, stopping this isn't going to be easy or quick, but given that Paulie should live into his 60's, he's got nothing but time. The question is whether you have the patience.

Consistently doing the exact opposite of what he wants when he beeps can help discourage him, but you need to pick a non-reinforcement and stick with it. If you're going to walk away or leave the room - do it every time, no matter what.

If you're going to move Paulie out of the room, do so calmly and without expression or any comments. Don't look at him, don't change your facial expression, move with purpose.

And remember, no longer than about 5 minutes - from the time he stops beeping that is.

Covering him in the cage he's in might also work. Make it an opaque cover that blocks light so he's not getting tempted by seeing shadows moving around.

Again - once he stops beeping - remove the cover, lavish on the praise and offer a treat.

When it comes to his preference for certain people - it makes perfect sense that he's more comfortable around someone who has had 'a few'. This relaxes the person and inhibits many facial expressions. Birds see thousands of combinations of facial movements that we aren't aware of at all. It's these subtle little things that we're conveying that make them uncomfortable around certain people. The ones he bites are somehow telegraphing doubts, fears, etc. and the bird gets that.

When it comes to petting, I've found that very few birds, no matter what kind they are or how they were raised, actually "like" it. A hand coming in from over their eye level is too much like a predatory move that all their instincts tell them to avoid or stop.

"Petting" is more acceptable in the form of scritches to the back of the neck, approached from under the eye level and slowly coming up - perhaps touching the feet, legs and wing first.


You're really on the right path with him - you just have to pick a lane and stick with it.


Most importantly, continue to be patient. You're doing a very fine job


You can find even more tips for 'screaming and biting' modification here

4AnimalCare


Good luck and keep it up!


206 days and 2 hours ago.

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When you say pick a method and stick with it, stay consistant, that makes sense until he beeps when I'm not in the room. How can I leave the room for instance quietly, with no facial expressions, when he he can't even see me in the first place. If I am cooking dinner in the kitchen and he can't see me, what constant method should I use? the only thing about using a blanket to cover him, which I don't really mind, s that is his time to cuddle when i put him to bed, when he is sweet and actually likes to be pet. so wouldn't using the blanket to cover him when he's making the beeiping noise make him think bed time is a bad thing too? Simply closing his door does NOT work. However, the 5 minutes of time out does make sense. I might be taking too much time in between and therefore back ttracking progress. ??

also, does clipping his wings do any thing to his hormones or personality? i only clip them 2 times a year just to prevent him from hurting himself when he "tries " to fly

poorly.

even though i clean his room in its entirety every 3-4 days and use mite spray (for birds) on his cage and him occassionally, Is it possible that tiny bugs are attacking him and constantly pissing him off, therefore, making him beep?? Are there bugs or organisms that are common to birds areas?

sometimes I simly think there has to be something wrong with him to act that way. it can't just be about attention. Any such thing as bipolar birds?

lastly, he likes to try and feed me alot. I know this is a very highly regarded form of love to birds. And often i tell him I don't want any, i just ate , etc because I do not want him wasting the food he just ate, and 1/2 of the time he has nothing to give but keeps trying. Should I let him do this more often? Would it in any way affect his personality or hurt him or help him? just thought I 'd throw that out there. these are the only other things I can think of that would offer more insight into what I'm dealing with.

Thanks

Carrie

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When he starts beeping when you're not there it's his method to call you in.

Wing trimming is a good idea for all birds who would otherwise use full flight to take more control over their human. With the few birds out there who come when called, every time, they've earned full flight. Of course their human has to have a bird proof home too - free from woodwork or other items psittacines tend to try to shred.

Speaking of hormones - I'm not sure if you mentioned covering him, but if not - you may want to establish a separate sleep cage for him. Someplace out of the way that can be covered with a dark, opaque (light blocking) cover, leaving just about 1/4 of the front door uncovered so he feels safe and secure. A bird that can't see out at all, but hears a noise, has more of a tendency to panic and possibly hurt themselves flailing around than one that can peek out and reassure itself there's not a predator about to violate their haven.

12 hours night, 12 hours day is a basis; but increasing to up 14 hours of nighttime is also ok and sometimes recommended for particularly problemmatic birds with behavior issues associated to hormones.

When he tries to feed you, stop everything dead in your tracks and turn away with a flat 'that's not necessary' - or 'no thank you'. I try to keep use of the word "NO" to a minimum otherwise it's not so impressive to them.

"NO" should be like a loud clap, or a smack of your hand on a table - something to stop them in their tracks and get their attention.

Softer 'no' can be used with direct eye contact and positive reinforcement shortly after

This beeping bird won't be easy to turn off, but if you remind yourself that the whole point is to not respond to it, to pretend you don't hear it and to not reinforce it with attention of any kind (save for removing him to a time out when it's really bad) - he can re learn

One of my most successful rescues was a young macaw that came from a couple who fought tooth and nail constantly. This bird swore with angry, awful words you can only imagine and it sounded like she meant them!

By replacing those words with proper ones delivered in the same tone, "LOVE you!" for instance - it sort of confused her. Within a month of not hearing the arguments she was used to, the mimicking tapered off and today her worst comment is to "shut up!" when hears another bird squawking. Not that she hears that from me, but it's a left over.

When Paulie beeps, try delivering a whistled tune, initially starting in the same note and then going where you want it to go.

Between this and not giving him any feedback when he turns that awful alarm on, I know you can conquer it.


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Expert: S. August Abbott, CAS
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