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my cat has thymus cancer, spread to chest with pleural effusion...treating him palliatively with steroids, diuretics and pain meds. his breathing is rapid and today has changed and become more laboured when should i feel it is a crisis...his behaviour is good some additional discomfort but resting.when is bad breathing too bad???

Submitted: 247 days and 4 hours ago via PetWave.
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Age: 5; Male; Breed: domestic shorthair cat

Posted by Doctor Douglas 247 days and 4 hours ago.

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Hello Oliver:

 

I'm sorry to hear about your cat's diagnosis.

 

How many times is he breathing per minute?

 

Is he open-mouth breathing?

 

Is he still eating?

 

Awaiting your reply.

247 days and 4 hours ago.

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thanks for answering-called emerg. and they said any breathing problem is an emergency which isn't helpful when your dealing with it every day
he is breathing about 45 times /min which is within his sickness norm but it is just much more laboured
no, he is not open mouth breathing which i was using as a barometer to being very bad
yes he is still eating, purring etc.
some additional discomfort but still mobile etc.

247 days and 4 hours ago.

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his breathing has slowed a bit 35-40 but variable

Posted by Doctor Douglas 247 days and 4 hours ago.

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If he starts open mouthed breathing and you notice a change in color of his tongue and gums to blue instead of pink, that is a definite sign of respiratory distress.

 

As long as he is eating, drinking, and somewhat comfortable he should be stable.

 

The problem with cats and respiratory distress is that it can come on quickly.

 

If he loses his appetite or begins open-mouthed breathing you will have to make a decision to have him put to sleep to avoid any further suffering.

 

I'm sorry that you are in this position, it is a very difficult one. Keep him comfortable and spend as much time as possible with him.

 

Let me know if I can be of further assistance.

247 days and 4 hours ago.

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Thanks as i said i thought that open mouthed breathing was the real indicator of distress but i was not expecting this change in how he breathes. I guess I have to decide if this is bad enough or to wait for it to get worse to put him to sleep. My vets is closed tomorrow and i am loathe to take him to the emerg. clinic unless i have to. If he remains like this is it okay to wait to speak to vet on Mon.?

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This is a tough decision. If he is feeling well enough to eat he should make it until Monday, but if he starts open-mouth breathing or starts panting I recommend getting him into the emergency vet.

 

Let me know how he does this weekend.

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247 days and 4 hours ago.

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Yes, I just feel sick trying to figure out what to do when. I do not want him to suffer but i would rather he be with our vet. Can i give him any more pain meds to help? Or stick with his regime and hope for Mon.?

Posted by Doctor Douglas 247 days and 4 hours ago.

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I recommend sticking with the current regime until you can get him into your vet on Monday.

245 days and 8 hours ago.

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thanks again for answering...we made it through the weekend and spoke to vet and will see him wed. He says he is at max for drugs so Have to decide whether or not to try draining chest cavity again or going on or euthanizing. what horrible choices but...
Appreciate your specific reply- I had phoned the emergency clinic and they were not very helpful and very upsetting saying any cat with breathing difficulties was an emergency. I've been dealing with my cat's difficult breathing for two months first thinking it was asthma then finding out it was cancer.So there response was less than helpful and made me feel horrible. I thought it was insensitive of the palliative care i've been trying to provide for my terminally ill pet.
You were very helpful.
I hope I able to make informed and compassionate decisions but it isn't easy!

Posted by Doctor Douglas 245 days and 8 hours ago.

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I'm sorry you are stuck in such a terrible position. He's lucky to have such a caring owner. Keep in touch.

236 days and 6 hours ago.

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Dr. Douglas
The vet is coming tomorrow to put Oliver to sleep becuz getting worse but just had a terrible scare...he did not have a good day but seemed stable but started purring and opened his mouth to breathe. He seems to have stopped for now but am petrified to make it through the night. Any suggestions? After all this i DO NOT wan to rush him to emerg.

Posted by Doctor Douglas 236 days and 3 hours ago.

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Hello Oliver:

 

I'm sorry to hear that he is having trouble. Keep him as quiet as possible throughout the night. Keep his food/water dishes and litterbox nearby so he doesn't have to spend much energy/oxygen by moving around.

 

There is a resuscitation acupuncture point located on the nose in the vertical line of the hairless part of the nose beneath the nostrils if he begins struggling to breathe. You can use your fingernail or the tip of a pen to stimulate the area. This may help keep him comfortable in case you do need to take him in.

 

Hang in there, I know it will be a long night.

231 days and 11 hours ago.

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Dr Douglas, Not sure if you will receive this or not. I did not get your answer that night but we did manage to make it through. I had a hard time getting Oliver to settle and it was sad because the purring seems to have set it off so I had to stop him every time he purred. It was heartbreaking. He had a better day though sitting in the garden for hours together one last time was a blessing. The vet came and put him to sleep in what I now feel was just in time...no doubts. By chance i was googling, still trying to understand this disease and there we all were. I'm sorry I missed your answer it would have been reassuring - you are good at that. I just wanted to thank for helping us in our crisis both medically and sympathetically and let you know the outcome of this sad tale. Thanks again.

Posted by Doctor Douglas 231 days and 10 hours ago.

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I'm glad you had some extra time with him. Not an easy situation to deal with at all. Take care.

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