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Hello,
I found this email address online and I decided I would write to you.I live in Bermuda and I have a 6 months old African Grey parrot. I have her for 3 months. She is beautiful and really playful. About 6 weeks ago I noticed that she is sneezing a lot, and makes a funny sound when she breathes. She looked depressed and stopped to whistle, she really looked like she has a cold so I took her to the vet. Here in Bermuda we do not have any avian vets, just regular vets. They are nice people but I am still concerned. They just looked at her, listened to her chest, they said it is clean and probably she has a nasal bacteria or something like that. She got some antibiotics which we gave her for a week. She seemed to be perfect after. 5 days later the symptoms came back so we went back to the vet who recommended medication again for a longer period of time for 2 weeks. She said this things take long to cure in birds. She was fine again but on the last day of the 2 weeks I was giving her

Submitted: 342 days ago.
Category: Bird
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Age: <1; Female; Breed: african grey

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I have been to the vet 3 times.

Posted by S. August Abbott, CAS 342 days ago.

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Did the vet take a swab from her mouth or run labwork on a fresh dropping?

How is she eating? How do her droppings look?

What kind of food do you feed? Any other birds or pets in the house?

342 days ago.

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THanks for being so fast! No, they did not take any samples from her at all. She is eating fine so far, but little less than usual. Last time when she showed these symptoms she sleeped more than she used to . She usually whistles in the morning when she is hungry, she does not really do that now, if she tries it is very quiet. You know when humans have a cold that takes away your voice a little. (sorry I do not know the word for that I am not a native english speaker..)Her droppings look normal, they have green-ish colour, but sometimes the things that she eat changes that, for example if she eats mashed pumpkins, it is a bit orangey but I guess that is normal. If she drinks a lot there is more water in it, but she never have diarrhea or anything strange. We try not to give a lot of seeds to her, so basically she gets steamed veggies, different kinds, I usually smash it with a fork that is the way she likes it. Almost every day she gets some fresh fruit on a skewer, oranges, bananas, apples, grapes. She likes cereals too. Eventually I give her rice and whole wheat pasta, she adores that. In the morning and evening she likes to eat warm food, does not accept it raw. She is our only pet.

Posted by S. August Abbott, CAS 341 days and 23 hours ago.

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Your English is perfect, even better than some natives.

Does she come out of her cage every day and if so, for how long? How often do you clean her cage?

It sounds like you're feeding her very well. She's obviously important to you.

341 days and 23 hours ago.

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We work in a restaurant which means 6 evenings a week, and some morning shifts too. She has a nice big cage, and a nice big parrot tree next to it with lots of toys, a swing and ladder. When I or my boyfriend is home, she is out of the cage all the time. She loves to play on her tree. When we work morning and evening, she is out in the afternoon when I have a break for about 2 hours, and in the evening when we get home for about 3-4 hours. On our off day, she is out all day. I even have perches in every room of the house because she loves to come with me whatever I do. I use newspaper in her cage, and I clean it every second or third day. I also use newspaper under her tree, I clean it almost every day, since she spends a lot of time on it. When I first heard her making that wheezing sound I even took her with me in the shower, she sit on her perch above my head, and she enjoyed the steam. She did not get wet. Sometimes when she sneezes a lot, there is a water like discharge coming from her nose. I love her, she is such a nice little parrot. She seems to love me and my boyfriend equally which is strange since they tend to choose one person. I hope it will stay like that..

Posted by S. August Abbott, CAS 341 days and 23 hours ago.

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OK, I think you can get this under control in just a few days, as long as there's no real infection.


Grey’s have a tendency to develop what can only be described as allergic reactions.

There are different possible causes.

Rhinitis (inflammation of the nares/nostrils). There would likely be a nasal discharge involved that may be clear, cloudy or yellowish; thick or thin. The underlying cause may be anything from viral to bacterial or fungal. It could also be a reaction to a foreign object, which could be as common as dust or her own feathers/dander.

The discharge may harden (rhinoliths) and if not (gently) wiped away regularly, it may plug the nares and cause several other severely complicated health issues.

Use a soft, warm, moist cloth to gently wipe the nares clear.

Another possibility is infection of the air sacs (air sacculitis). Symptoms for this includes coughing, wheezing and labored breathing. It’s often more noticeable after the bird does something strenuous (like a flight). Treatment would depend on the infection (fungal, bacterial or viral).

I don't suspect this as much given your description.


When there is any respiratory distress in a bird, veterinary intervention to determine the source of the problem and you have done very well with this.


As long as she's having normal droppings, is not fluffing, losing balance or sitting at the bottom of the cage, and is eating/drinking normally, it is probably not an emergency; however, it is something that you need to watch carefully, just as you have been.


If along with respiratory problems you notice the bird fluffing and preferring to be at the bottom of the cage – or even in one area of the cage, not moving much on their perch – this is an urgent care situation.

In the meantime, as well as keeping the (nostrils) clear, try installing a vaporizer (as opposed to a humidifier) in the room. The hot steamy air can be helpful to the bird's respiratory tract and even feathers.

Vacuuming instead of just sweeping or dusting, needs to be done daily. It might sound like a lot of work, but when done on a regular basis it’s really not so bad. I do it twice a day to help one of the permanent residents, a wonderful macaw with acute allergies. She’s improved quite noticeably with these efforts.


When a bird is well loved and interacted with like yours is, it's a gift they give back, to love their entire family equally. Now and then she might decide she likes one or the other of you a little more, but that's something that happens even with humans Wink.

Keep up the excellent care!

341 days and 22 hours ago.

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Thank you very much. Do you think they will be able to help me here if the problem gets worse? I read in the books I have that even the yearly check up should include a blood test, and I am not sure they will do it here. Bermuda is a small island, not many people have birds here. Anyway I hope she will be fine, thank you again for helping me.
Best regards,

Veronika

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This may help you find someone near you, or within a reasonable traveling distance

http://aav.org/vet-lookup and

http://veccs.org/hospital_directory.php

Yes, I believe that if this turns out to be a respiratory infection, a vet who knows what they're doing, either an actual "avian vet" or someone well experienced with bird care, will be able to diagnose and then treat the problem.

They would take a swab sample from the mouth and probably collect a fresh dropping. Blood tests aren't regularly necessary, but if you've never had a genetic profile done on her, it's a good idea to get one.

For things to screen for: Avian Polyomavirus; PBFD/Psittacine Beak and Feather Disease; Pacheco’s Disease (and in some circumstances, Chlamydophila/Psittacosis)

You can see more about these tests here: http://www.healthgene.com/avian/agp2.asp

To screen for several genetic diseases or other problems, as well as knowing for sure what sex your bird is (just in case you don’t know already), it’s just a matter of a couple drops of blood that you might get by clipping a toenail just close enough to produce it (you need to be experienced with clipping and sure not to hurt your bird or cause severe bleeding).


I’d use a groomer or vet to get it if you’re even slightly unsure.


You can get an idea of the prices here http://healthgene.com/Avian and see that they’re pretty reasonable; however, again, I strongly recommend that your vet do the sampling, so figure in an office fee accessed along with the testing cost.


Never – not ever – consider using a blood feather to send in as a sample. This can cause uncontrolled blood loss and in some cases may actually lead to feather plucking. I don’t understand why these labs still encourage it and strongly feel they shouldn’t.


Avian Cholera (Pasteurellosis) is transmitted via inhalation or ingestion of infected material (food, water, discharge, dirt/droppings/dust). DNA testing can detect chronic or early infection, especially when samples are submitted from blood, choanal and cloacal swabs.

It's probably nothing like this, but getting a baseline is great peace of mind.

Let me know how you make out ok?


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Expert: S. August Abbott, CAS
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341 days and 22 hours ago.

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Sure. Thank you again. :)

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