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I have a 14yr old boxer on thyroid and arthritus medication recent blood test says liver and kidneys ok but he has very loose motions any ideas on how to treat

Submitted: 363 days and 21 hours ago.
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Age: >12; Male; Breed: boxer

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My vet has only tried antibiotics says more tests maybe as he so loose i presume that he is not getting nutrients from his food as he has lost alittle weight He is 14 yrs

Posted by Dr.Fiona 363 days and 20 hours ago.

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Hi there XXXXXXXXXX,

Welcome to Just Answer! I would be happy to help you and your Boxer with this question, but need a bit more information in order to better assist you.

What is the arthritis medication he is on?

Is he having diarrhea just once a day, or is he going many times a day?

Any accidents in the house?

Any mucus or blood, or posturing to defecate with nothing coming out?

What was the antibiotic your vet tried? Was there any improvement on that?

How are his energy levels and appetite?

Fiona

363 days and 20 hours ago.

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Hi the medication he is on is rymadil 1 daily and a monthly injection he normally goes 2 to3 times daily as he always has no accidents indoors and doesnt appear to strain with nthing happening and have not seen any blood in his stools His energy levels seem ok but last few weeks slightly off food althogh seems to be eating better now Theantibiotics only just finished a name beggining with M ? not sure full name maybe they have helped its just loose motions that are the problem hopefully he will gain his weight now lost 2kilos I hope this helps

Posted by Dr.Fiona 363 days and 20 hours ago.

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Were the antibiotics Metronidazole?

363 days and 20 hours ago.

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Yes they were antibiotics

Posted by Dr.Fiona 363 days and 20 hours ago.

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A-HA!

Ok, that is very helpful! :-)

I am going to go work on your answer and will be back shortly. I have to run my daughter across the street to her Junior Kindergarten class, so it could be 35min or so before I am back....sorry for the delay!

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Hi again Sue!
Thanks for your patience!

You have described to me a 14yr old male Boxer who is on a thyroid supplement and also on Rimadyl. He has had diarrhea for some time, and was treated with Metronidazole by your family veterinarian. Despite this, his diarrhea persists. He has lost weight.

There are a lot of different possibilities for what may be going on with your dog. The ones that I would be considering if he were on his way to see me are:


1.      Small intestinal bacterial overgrowth (SIBO)

Dogs with this problem have frequent diarrhea and high folate levels on blood testing.

This is because folate is made by bacteria in the intestines, and is then absorbed into the blood stream. So, if SIBO is present for a long period of time serum folate concentration increases.

Unfortunately, only about 50% of dogs with SIBO have increased folate. Thus, if we do a blood test and find increased folate, we can be pretty sure that there is SIBO, but if the blood test is negative, the dog could still have SIBO. We also measure blood levels of cobalamin which will be decreased with SIBO as the bacteria bind this vitamin. So, these 2 blood tests together can be useful in diagnosis.

It is treatable with Tylosin (http://www.petplace.com/drug-library/tylosin-tylan/page1.aspx )


Here is more about it:
http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/courses_vm546/content_links/DfDx/Dog%20Case%203/small_intestinal_bacterial_overg.htm

http://www.petplace.com/dogs/chronic-diarrhea-in-dogs/page1.aspx

SIBO can be due to an underlying problem such as a food intolerance or exocrine pancreatic insufficiency, though that would be less likely in a dog of this age.

Here is more about them:
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+1664&aid=143

http://www.sniksnak.com/doghealth/epi.html

2. He may have a Protein Losing Enteropathy (PLE).

The blood tests your vet did should help to support or deny this. If his albumin levels were low (OR if they have dropped substantially in the last few weeks/months), then this is something I would be considering more strongly. PLE is thought to have a genetic component and is often manageable using specific diets and medications.   There are a number of different things that can cause PLE, from immune system problems to cancer. If your dog's ALBUMIN levels were normal, then this would be unlikely.

Here is more about it:

http://www.petplace.com/dogs/protein-losing-enteropathy-in-dogs-ple/page1.aspx
http://home.comcast.net/~lechaun1/kidneys.html


3. It is possible your Boxer simply has gastroenteritis from eating something he shouldn't have.

Table scraps, garbage or twigs and leaves could be the culprit! Gastroenteritis is an inflammation of the stomach and intestines and can be caused by a large number of things, including sudden dietary changes.

4. A bacterial infection.

Dogs can be affected by overgrowths of bacteria in the intestines. In an adult dog these might not be more than a nuisance. The 3 most common are Campylobacter, Salmonella and E.Coli. Here is a link with more information:

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&S=0&C=0&A=2232
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&S=0&C=0&A=598


5. Another possibility is Parasites. Here is a link to information about whipworms which are notoriously hard to identify by fecal analysis, and are not killed with pyrantel pamoate (standard dog dewormer):
http://www.VeterinaryPartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=1668

If your dog were coming to see me, I would do a complete physical exam, check a fecal sample for parasites, deworm him, and recommend a blood folate/cobalamin level. I would treat him with Tylosin if indicated.

In terms of what you can do at home, I would make the following suggestions:
1. Start a probiotic.

This is in order to get some "good bacteria" back into the system. An easy way to do this is by using a product called Culturelle. It comes as a capsule, and for a dog this size, if he were my patient, I would give him 1 capsule two or three times daily. It can be mixed in with some water and given by syringe into the mouth, or it can be sprinkled over a bit of rice. Here is more:
http://www.culturelle.com/

Another option would be FortiFlora which is available from your veterinarian. Here is more about it: http://www.dogbuffs.com/?p=80 This has been shown in clinical studies to have positive effects on immune function.

2. I would also encourage your Boxer to drink as much as possible of clear fluids, since he may be becoming slightly dehydrated from all the diarrhea. So, water is fine, but also he can have pedialyte, Gatorade, apple juice diluted 50:50 with water, or chicken or beef broth diluted 50:50 with water. Give the fluids in small amounts frequently. For a dog this size that means about 1 cup an hour.

3. Start 2 tablespoons twice daily per 10lbs body weight of canned Pumpkin. Be sure to use plain canned pumpkin and NOT pie filler! For a 60lb dog, this would work out to 12 tablespoons or 3/4 cup TWICE a day. There should be improvement within 1-2 days. I usually suggest patients stay on this for 1 week, then gradually decrease.

If these things do not help over the course of the week, then I do think you are going to need to see your vet again. Things may be more evident now to your vet than they were previously. Something is going on with your dog! It sounds as though it is time to find out what.

I hope that helps you. If this has been helpful, please hit the green "Accept" button and leave feedback. I will still be here if you have further questions!


The above is given for information only. Although I am a licensed veterinarian, I cannot legally prescribe medicines or diagnose your pet's condition without performing a physical exam. If you have concerns about your pet I would strongly advise contacting your regular veterinarian.

Fiona


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