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i own a pure bred miniture daschund who is now two. When he was six mos. i began to notice an odor eminating from his skin. I bathed him regularly, but the mell persisted. My Ohio vet did a blood work-up and found nothing. About 1 year ago I moved to SC. My first vet noticed the same smell and redid the blood work. I went to a second vet and he found enlarged anal glands which he expressed. Things got better. I now do this monthly. Recently the odor is back and more intense. If he is left in an enclosed room while i am out the entire room has a strong smell and his coat everywhere smells urine like. He now licks his bodyconstantly. My vet is perplexed. Any suggestions. I love "Oscar" dearly, and have provided vet and personal care to the best of my ability, but the increasing odors are making me noxious. He does not urinate in the house and recommended skin shampoos and related products have not helped at all . Thank You Shannon Buccini

Submitted: 484 days and 12 hours ago.
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Age: 2; Male; Breed: miniture daschund

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soaps and shampoos
anal glands expressed

Posted by Dr Pete 483 days and 10 hours ago.

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Hi
It sounds like you are having a very trying time. I feel for you.
The odour sounds like it is originating from either the skin or the anal glands (anal sacs). There may actually be a link. It is interesting that you felt things improved initially after the vet emptied his anal glands. We must consider this significant. Also the fact that he licks himself constantly is significant.
I think there are two strong pssibilities here. First is that the anal glands are the central problem. These sacs are basically scent glands and when they do not empty properly the dog will often lick at them to try to get relief. The smell from the glands is then transferred to the mouth and then to anything that he then licks...this can be you, items of furniture and of course his own coat. I see this regularly in dogs....bad breath and smelly coat with impacted anal glands.
The second possibility is that the sebaceous glands in his skin are overactive and there is excessive oil building up on his skin and coat. This binds down the dead skin layer and it is not shed correctly. This dead oily keratin layer is an excellent breeding ground for the bacteria and yeasts that normally inhabit the skin. As these organisms break down the oil it takes on a nasty smell. The condition is usually termed seborrhea oleosa. Sometimes the dog will get quite itchy with this condition too (seborrheic dermatitis). Now this condition often goes along with anal sac impaction problems. The condition is more common in dark skinned dogs...I see it a lot in Dachsunds. Dogs that have overactive sebacious glands often have overactive anal glands and vice versa....the two types of gland are related.
So what do I suggest you do? First you should consider having the anal glands removed. If they need expressing monthly it is probably a wise thing to do anywhay as they are prone to infection if they swell consistently. This is not a big operation. Vets do it regularly. It will totally remove the anal gland possibility as a cause. Well worthwhile!
Secondly, if you suspect the skin is the primary problem (seborrhea oleosa) then you need to use a special shampoo called Malaseb (http://www.malaseb.net/). It is available at your vet and also on the Internet. It will lift off the top dead layer of keratin, cleanse the pores and control the bacteria and yeasts.
Obviously the Malaseb option is much simpler to try first. But I am suspicious the anal gland removal is more likely to generate a response.
I hope I've been of help here. Please contact me back if you feel I can assist further.
Kindest regards, Peter

483 days and 10 hours ago.

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Dear Dr. Pete: Thank you for your reply. Oscar indeed has a very dark coat, but I have not noticed any scaling or lesions which I would expect to see with seborrhea. Further, the first time the anal glands were expressed there was extensive material and the room reeked. Things did get better. When the odor and licking returned I took him to my vet and less volume, ame smell. I am now doing this monthly but instead of weeks passing before the odor is evident when I return to my apartment and the licking begins, it is occuring much sooner. In my initial inquiry I did not mention that Oscar was cages trained and he views the cage (probably 12x24x12 as his house. He is caged while I am at work. Is it possible that that small confine has created some anxiety disorders? That's a stretch but I am trying to think of anything to help. He sleeps beside my bed on a small bed which I recently had to replace because the odor had impregnated it too. Any new thoughts? As soon a syou reply I will accept your independent and helpful advice to allow for payment. Good day Mate!! Shannon

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Hi again Shannon
It's frustrating because if the internet had "smell" it might be easy for me.
First, it is black SKIN, not coat that predisposes a dog to seborrhea. Some white coated breeds have black skin and suffer badly from this. Also, in seborrhea oleosa there can sometimes appear to be no scaling because the oil locks the keratin layer down so well. However, I certainly take your point. If the smell was caused by seborrhea oleosa you would be able to detect the smell and oily feel on your hand if you rubbed the skin. That is a classic sign.
As I said in my previous post I am very suspicious that this is the anal sacs. Is the smell also on his breath sometimes? Is the general smell he has the same as the nasty smell that appears when his anal sacs are expressed? The anal sac smell once transferred to the coat of a dog can produce an acidic/sour smell as the yeasts break it down....I am very familiar with this. And you say he licks himself a lot. Does the smell pretty well clear up each time his anal sacs are expressed? I repeat that if he needs anal sac expression that often you should consider having them removed anyway.
Check also the obvious...he's not urinary incontinent (you mentioned it as a smell like urine). It's not just a bad mouth (dental disease)? I can't see this as being related in any way to anxiety.
You must work your way through it systematically:
1. Does the smell transfer to your hand after rubbing the skin?
2. Can you smell it on his breath?
3. Express his anal sacs and wash him. Does the smell then disappear?

Give me any more hints you have.
Regards, Peter

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