JustAnswer > Dog
Ask A Question|Register|Login|Help
JustAnswer

Dog

Ask a Dog Question, Get an Answer ASAP!

Have your own Dog question?

8 Vets and Dog Experts are Online Now
characters left:
Not a Dog Question?

Related Dog Topics:

  • Cat
  • ,
  • Dog
  • ,
  • Ear
  • ,
  • May
  • ,
  • Pet
  • ,
  • Red
  • ,
  • Vet
  • ,
  • Back
  • ,
  • Bald
  • ,
  • Bull
Bookmark and Share

Question

I recently was asked to foster a dog in my home. I was told she had a skin allergy but became alarmed when I noticed a red, bumpy rash on the dog's stomach and legs that was extremely itchy. I called the owner of the dog rescue who told me the dog had demodectic mange. The next morning, I felt so bad for the dog because she was scratching and biting at her skin that I started researching mange and almost immediately realized her symptoms were consistent not with demodectic but with sarcoptic mange. I did the Pinnal-Pedal reflex test, and it was positive. The owner of the dog rescue continues to tell me and others that the dog does not have sarcoptic mange because the skin scrape was negative. Isn't the itchy rash, hair loss, and positive Pinnal-Pedal reflex enough for a diagnosis?

Submitted: 512 days and 19 hours ago.
Category: Dog
Value: $9
Status: CLOSED
+
Read More

Optional Information

Age: 4; Female; Breed: Shepherd Mix

Already Tried:
The shepherd mix, Tia, is the mother of 8 husky/shepherd puppies that were recently weaned. She was found in the wild and rescued with her newborn puppies. She has been treated with ivermectin. All of the puppies are itchy with a red rash and a positive pinnal-pedal reflex, but the owner does not acknowledge that it is sarcoptic mange.

Posted by Dr.Fiona 512 days and 19 hours ago.

Info Request

Hi there XXXXXXXXXX,

Welcome to Just Answer! I would like to help you and your rescue dog with this question, but need a bit more information in order to better assist you.

 

Does the dog have any crusting and hair loss at the edges of her ear flaps?

 

Does she have any patches of hair loss around her eyes?

 

Do you have other pets in your home?

 

Is this dog on medications?

 

Who did the skin scrape (was it a vet?)?

 

Fiona

512 days and 19 hours ago.

Reply

I noticed crusting on the ears. Hair loss was obvious on her body but not on her ears or face. I have 3 dogs in my home and 4 cats. We noticed the dogs scratching their bellies and ears and treated them with Revolution. One cat began biting between his toes, so we treated all of the cats with Revolution as well.

 

A vet did an initial skin scrape before the dog was placed in my home. The results were negative, but he did proceed to treat the dog with Ivermectin. She had her first Ivermectin injection about an hour before she came to me. After I returned the dog, the rescue owner took her to a second vet where another skin scrape was done, but it was also negative. This didn't really surprise me, however, because the dog had been treated with Ivermectin and the mites are difficult to find anyway, based on my research.

Posted by Dr.Fiona 512 days and 19 hours ago.

Info Request

Thanks for that additional information!

I am going to go take a few minutes more to finish writing out a detailed answer for you... be right back!

512 days and 19 hours ago.

Reply

Thank you.

Accepted Answer

Hi again XXXXXXXXXX,

 

 

There are 2 main kinds of mange that we deal with in dogs. They are demodectic mange and sarcoptic mange. Without examing a dog, I cannot diagnose what he or she has... but I can tell you what I would be leaning towards! Let me explain a bit more about them.

•1. Demodex.

This is a type of mange mite that is fairly common in pups and young dogs. Usually one just sees little areas of hair loss, the skin doesn't look angry or ulcerated. It is not particularly itchy. Often, the hair loss starts around the eyes, or on the lower legs, as little bald circles about the size of a dime or up to a quarter.

Here are some links:

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=1&cat=1352&articleid=729

http://www.petplace.com/dogs/demodicosis-red-mange-in-dogs/page1.aspx

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&S=0&C=0&A=630

You mentioned that your crew is itchy, which is not a big issue with Demodex.

With Demodex, it is easy to find mites on a skin scraping. Often, dozens of mites are found with a single scraping! Basically, if I do a few skin scrapings on a dog and do NOT find Demodex, then the dog does not have Demodex.

The treatment is fairly straight forward. Nowadays, most vets just use ivermectin by mouth or by injection daily. Or if this is just isolated to one spot, in just one animal, it is possible that your vet may suggest applying Lindane cream to the area three times daily to see if there is improvement. This is not nearly as effective, however.

•2. Sarcoptes

This is a type of mange caused by a mite called Sarcoptes Scabei, and it is also known as Scabies. It makes animals ITCHY!! I rarely see it here in Ontario, but saw it almost daily when I worked in California. (What a great learning opportunity for me!) Dogs with Scabies come in because they are so itchy. This type of mange causes itchiness long before it causes hair loss. The mite lives under the skin, and the itchiness seems to come from an allergic reaction to the mite. The classic symptom for Scabies is that the edges of the pinnae get crusty and ulcerated, and dogs scratch with a back foot when you rub the pinna, as you have described.

The good news is that this mange mite does not live long off the animal, and normal vacuuming and cleaning should get rid of them in the environment. Scabies is hard to diagnose, as skin scrapings are usually negative. It's just hard to find the mite because there can be so few causing so much itching. However, the good news is that they are fairly easy to get rid of by using Ivermectin every 1-2 weeks for 3 or 4 treatments total. Usually the dog is feeling MUCH better by 2 weeks into treatment which confirms the diagnosis.

I'll give you links to more information:

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&S=0&C=0&A=616

http://www.petplace.com/dogs/sarcoptic-mange-in-dogs/page2.aspx

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2&cat=1589&articleid=764

http://www.canismajor.com/dog/mange1.html

And about sarcoptic mange in cats (which I have never diagnosed, as it is much less common):

http://www.petplace.com/cats/sarcoptic-mange-in-cats/page1.aspx

So, from what you are describing, Sarcoptic mange would be pretty high on my list of possibilities. If your dogs were my patients, I would treat them all with Ivermectin at 0.3 mg/kg by mouth once a week for a month. If they were not greatly improved by the 2 week mark, I would want to do further diagnostics to figure out what was going on.

If this has been helpful, please accept my answer and leave feedback. I will still be here to provide more information if you need it!

The above is given for information only. Although I am a licensed veterinarian, I cannot legally prescribe medicines or diagnose your pet's condition without performing a physical exam. If you have concerns about your pet I would strongly advise contacting your regular veterinarian.

Fiona

Picture
Expert: Dr.Fiona
Pos. Feedback: 99.9 %
Accepts: 1592
Answered: 10/23/2008

Dog Veterinarian

15 years experience as a companion animal veterinarian in British Columbia, California and Ontario

+
Read More

Related Dog Questions

  • matteredeye
  • what is kisch hound
  • i have a 5 year old boder collie who has a serious skin ...
  • I just got a dog. The people I got it from, said they ...
  • can dogs get hemroids? ...
  • Is it ok if a male pomeraian breeds with it's daughter ...
  • can thyrosyn be used as a antibiotic for dogs?
  • Very Sick Dalmation



Disclaimer: Information in questions, answers, and other posts on this site ("Posts") comes from individual users, not JustAnswer; JustAnswer is not responsible for Posts. Posts are for general information, are not intended to substitute for informed professional advice (medical, legal, veterinary, financial, etc.), or to establish a professional-client relationship. The site and services are provided "as is" with no warranty or representations by JustAnswer regarding the qualifications of Experts. To see what credentials have been verified by a third-party service, please click on the "Verified" symbol in some Experts' profiles. JustAnswer is not intended or designed for EMERGENCY questions which should be directed immediately by telephone or in-person to qualified professionals.
Question List | Become an Expert | Terms of Service | Security & Privacy | About Us
© 2003-2010 JustAnswer Corp.