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I have a 28-year old orange-winged Amazon who's never been sick. For the last year he's been falling off his perch at night and I've noticed the grip strength in his claws has changed, meaning he doesn't seem to be able to grip as strongly as in the past. He has a good appetite, is very happy, but he has this... symptom. Is this anything to be concerned about? Thank you very much for your help, Deb from Phoenix, Arizona

Submitted: 397 days and 14 hours ago.
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Age: >12; Male; Breed: Orange-winged amazon

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I have tried nothing. I'm observing. He seems healthy and happy, just is weak in his grip strength

Posted by S. August Abbott, CAS 397 days and 14 hours ago.

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I'm glad you're involved enough to notice things like this and I'm positive he is too.

Has he been with you for most of his years?

Tell me more about his typical day, diet, sleep time and anything you can think of.

Is he an only bird? Do you have a separate sleep cage? Cover him at night?

How many sleep hours does he get and is it a routine?

397 days and 14 hours ago.

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Quinn was an import I bought in 1980. He was about 6-8 months old at the time. I've had him the whole 28 years. In the morning, we have bathroom time together. Sits up on the shower pole while I get ready to work. Once or twice a week in the summer, he showers with me. I wheel him outside to let Mr. Sun dry him naturally. In the winter, he lets me know when he wants a shower. I blow dry him afterward.

I feed him Nutriphase seed mixture. He won't drink water, though there is water always in the cage, but he derives his liquid from cut up apples (no skin), carrots, celery, cucumber. Sometimes he likes a strawberry head, oranges, pear, et cetera. But he also gets his "goodies," which he gets when we eat. His diet is varied between brown rice, a stray or stolen raw almond or walnut, sprouted and toasted Ezekiel bread, scrambled egg, a piece of poached salmon, little bit of mashed potatoes, garlic cloves, scallions, a Trader Joes cracker that has sesame seeds and poppy seeds, garbonzo beads, kale, cabbage, a bit of chicken if he wants it once in a while, all manner of what we may be eating at the time, as long as it's food with no preservatives.

During the day, he spends time in his cage downstairs. When I get home, he gets his freedom. I allow him to fly as long as he doesn't "cop an attitude." When he does, I clip one side of his wing, and until he regrows his wing, he's grounded. He then gets his exercise walking upstairs or out in the back yard for grit. He is a great apartment, house flier over these last 28 years and can fly upstairs to his sleeping cage in my bedroom. He sleeps upstairs with me.

Since I'm a court reporter, there are times I keep late nights. Sometimes if he's tired, he walks up the stairs to bed. Sometimes he sleeps downstairs until I get him to go to bed. I do not cover his cage. He's never gotten a draft or a cold. He doesn't protest when I have covered his cage, but he likes to sleep on top of his cage on his upper perch. That way in the morning, he can fly to my bed and sit on my pillow and sleep until I get up.

Typically I suppose he gets 8 to 10 hours a night of sleep. Sometimes less. Sometimes more. If I come home in the afternoon and take a nap, he sits on my chest and goes to sleep with me whether I sleep 15 minutes or 2 hours. He won't move.

I have had a a couple of other birds over the 28 years. A Moluccan cockatoo who lasted a month. African Jardine, who lasted five years. He's been an only bird to begin with and is now.

We have a regular routine as outlined above. I hope this helps.
Deb C.

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It helps a great deal and of course wild caught birds ending up forever caged is heartbreaking, but some were lucky enough to end up with people like you. I can't thank you enough for providing such a good home.

The intellectual input you provide with your interaction is just wonderful. The natural sunlight is terrific too.

I'll go over a few possibilities with you about what could be happening and you use this as a guideline ok?

The number one most common cause of what you're seeing is the result of a mostly seed diet. This surprises a lot of owners and mostly it's because we all believe the packaging on the seeds.



Fatty liver disease is something that is often seen in a bird on a seed only or predominantly seed diet. No matter how much the manufacturer insists they are fortified and healthy, they are misleading all of us. They have nothing to lose if we lose our companion. Lawsuits are rarely instigated and the most they'd be liable for is the market cost of the bird. Pets are considered little more than a piece of property.


There may also be a tumor on the kidney which will not appear on the outside of the body, but other symptoms such as limping, the loss of use of a leg (or both) and/or imbalance might occur. This happens when the tumor presses on certain nerves.


Renal Adenocarcinoma may invade the ischiatic nerves and constrict them, causing (disuse) atrophy of one or both legs.


Tumors can also be in a male’s testes or female’s ovaries and there are not always obvious changes until later on when the growth is more dominant inside.

Vitamin A deficiencies which may occur when the bird is on a high fat (mostly seed) diet.


Vitamin A deficiency (hypovitaminosis A) may lead to respiratory problems in birds which present as a blunting of the little projections (papilla) around the opening of the roof of the mouth. Also, granulomas in the mouth (little abscesses) are often seen. A bird existing on an all seed diet has a higher instance of vitamin A deficiency and many times, treatment of the problems outlined here involves simply improving the diet. Of course, getting the bird to cooperate may be another problem altogether.


In some cases, depending on the professional opinion of the veterinarian examining the extent of this deficiency, injectable and/or oral vitamin A may be advised.

Providing a sleeping cage is also something I find indicative of you going the extra mile for him. You might want to increase his sleep time to 12 hours. If you normally get up at 7 a.m. for example, putting him to bed around 7 p.m. is a good idea.

For right now, while he's losing his balance, you should lower the perches and put several layers of newspaper or even non-looped towels at the bottom. Sure, it's a lot of laundry, but hopefully it won't be necessary for long as I'm confident he can be treated.

The reason I avoid using bath or other terrycloth towels is because a toenail caught in one of these little looped surfaces can cause a struggle and resulting injury.

Find an avian vet near you http://aav.org/vet-lookup and


http://veccs.org/hospital_directory.php


These days, with birds growing fast in popularity as in home companions, many DVM’s are quite experienced and able to see and treat many birds.


If you have a pet store that sells birds or know of any bird breeders – ask them who they use for their bird care.


To be sure the vet is a good one, make sure you’re there for the exam. This should include hands on, feeling the chest area, peering into the mouth with a well placed flashlight and lifting the tail feathers to examine the vent.


This exam should also include any one or more of the following: Blood tests, gram stains/cultures, x-rays, even oral/crop/tracheal swabs and so on.



If the examining vet doesn’t perform a hands on exam, or worse, leaves your bird in their cage or carrier, leave immediately. This is not the vet for you or your bird.

Hopefully you've got another 40 years to spend together.

Please let me know how it goes ok?




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Expert: S. August Abbott, CAS
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