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I wrote you recently regarding sutures and I have not gotten a response?
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You name it,yet its well past the intial stage and has been forcing up.while here in Wash.I have fought with doctors and been screwed around with while they failed to bother ever checking on these sutures as I tried to get med. help. I have been thru hell and back and wish this upon noone.After yrs of health problems that made no sense as well as strange ruptures in the skin,the very sutures and issues fell into my lap far to late.Intrestingly,after two recalls that were underhanded it just recently got a urgent recall just over a month ago.Not before far to much harm has been done,and apparently the class action suit.What our health care system has become outrages me
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404 days and 4 hours ago.
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I did not see your prior question. What is your question about sutures?
404 days and 4 hours ago.
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Vicryl and Panacryl sutures that are a synthetic mesh braided and woven suture that fails to desolve as intended,was origanlly recalled as vicryl sutures and it being problems with serile packageing,caused infections,abnormal skin growth and other problems,to be apparently attempted to handle the recall by sending sales reps to collect them and obviously trying to keep a cover on it.Yet the second go around also has become as much harm and they still tried to keep a lid on it while these were still being used and doctors neither being aware of recall or bothering to check when people were haveing serious problems and symptoms that only recently was just given a urgent recall last month I believe.HOwever the body does not absorb it and tries to reject it and it is pushed up thru the skin and more painful and insane than one can begin to know,I somehow tunnels under the skin,which I do not really understand but it is hell on earth
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404 days and 4 hours ago.
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you are correct about the fact that vicryl and panacryl sutures should be absorbed after a period of time. If they are not absorbed they would work as non absorbable sutures. I was not aware of any recall. Usually the companies will notify the hospitals purchasing department and not the physician. Every material in the operating room is checked to see if it is still valid before it is open and giving to a patient. That is what happened at least on the hospitals I had the opportunity to work.
If your body is rejecting the stitch and it is that superficial. You may be able to have it removed in an office setting.
I am sorry to hear that you are going such a difficult time with this sutures. This is the first time that I am hearing from someone having problems with a vicryl suture.
402 days and 14 hours ago.
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Please note,that while there are infact recorded recalls,how the companies elected to handle such was not that of which would be concidered normal or ethical.The issue of these sutures have many cases that serious infections were caused due to these sutures failing to desolve,and it intially was found after a doctor blew the whisle when the company chose not to head his advice and it thought was due to cantamination relating to malfunctions in the sealing process which supposedly changed the sutures properties or something about them.Such being used in many deep tissue surgeries.Yet the company handles such by settleing cases,but the issue was not resolved.
There being a history of various doctors having to remove these sutures out of patients when infections and health problems post surgery occurred.
Now I have fought a battle that is both insane and protracted which has now should have killed me twice.However I never would have connected as I thought I was fighting seperate battles,one with which after a near death infection that was misdiagnosed,worsened and nearly killed me as it was not textbook to a malfuntion of a Gallbladder,yet a stange leasion covered one that had swellled up adhereing to my liver and spreading this and infection to it.Yet not only had I these used in a breast surgery a few yrs prior,had various symptoms that I rationalize as something one could put some sense to.Noone questioned this strange infection and infact it only gotten to when I refused to give up being bedridden for nearly a yr from being always a healthy independent active woman and single mother who had suffer a back injury but was determined to reeducte and work.Refusing insistance that I give up and learn to live with such while it told me nothing was wrong or left to do.But not before forced to loose my Reproductive system I niether believed or desired to as the source that was insisted on focusing on,inspite of having earlier had it scoped to find it not with any signs of or ever having an infection.Such only compounding my whole condition,and suffering.Refusing to give up it was I who had to convince a Surgeon to go in and check these organs of which was refused repeatedly and claimed it could not be the source of this infection.While like any normal person I thought that I had gotten to a health problem and could rebuild my health and life.Yet such was only the beginning of far to many yrs caught caught in a insanity of this.When prior to my infection,ruptures began to occur in my skin,which there,at that time had some blue color to it.(As I review records,& inhindsight)Such lead to having to have these excised as they refused to heal.And which Vicryl sutures were used in these.Such causing what appeared to be moving scars that worked across my face,but work up this strange layer of hard surface that unraveled and came up & off in a strange manner.While I knew such had to logically have something to do with sutures failing to desolve yet never putting health issues and this together,while I became more disabled as well progressively disfugured.I went to great lengths to find help and someone who knew about and how to treat this.Yet hitting brickwall after another.In my gut knowing I could not be the only one going thru this.I got trapped in a medical sytem nightmare I could not get myself out of and was only worsened as doctors insisted on processing and treating symptoms,never questoning what was causeing such or listening to what was said.I infact had to insist on and both myself document what was happening to me.
I could not recover from continued pain and inabiltiy to tolerate anything around my chest and upper abdominal area despite the surgery and getting to the infection.It became to the point that with every yr I worsened in health problems that made no sense.And while I did not know at the time what I had started when I forced myself to fight back and every effort to regain health just to be there for my Gson,who kept me going when others would have given up.In such I resorted to healthier alternatives and trying to get myself of that which doctors need to feel and focused on treating symtoms rather than ever bother with time trying to figure out why and what.I weaned off of medication that was severely slowing my system and I became deathly ill when trying to go without when was not refilled on time,to figure out and be given enough to get by only to be swung the other direction when resuming taking it.Such so toxic that stop taking it to then resume it was enough to make me so seriously ill.I cleansed both my system and colon,and while it seemed to make progress as I forced myself to push thru pain walls and try to do a little of something everyday to build myself up.Yet By fall from Jan. I began experiencing all kinds of serious symptoms and problems from bleeding when I had a bowl movement to my sinuses cut off when I slept where these excise scars like things had worked up and twisted into pockets under my eye and nose.I contined to worsen to the point that by just getting thru the holidays was all I could do and unable to funciton.By spring,and despite under medical care and such going on right under the nose of the medical systems noses,at the sametime I had about 3 months of Planctin I had began taking together with cleansing I spiraled into hell noone deserves or can concieve as I both began forcing up this suture material out of my skin and the facts about the second go around of these sutures landed in my lap.I to ill to help myself or get any help from this same system while I never expected to live more than time to put my affairs in order.I forced up this hard layer up thru my skin where this had tunneled and when intially was subjected to the first round or these suture nightmare,beginning a insanity,only to have it put back in me both in the excises and recently confirming thru my records that which I suspected as this forced out of me in ways that noone would begin to wrap ones mind around,that they were used when forced into a unwanted,unneeded hysterecomy,such working into and cause of my bleeding in my bowl,the exises forcing up thru my eye and sinuses not short of a tumor that had formed as being the most painful,insane thing imaginable.I sweated so profusely while my blood pressure went out of control and chest tigtened as I feared a stroke or heart attack.I became dehydrated and could not force enough water down me while my body went into a labor of trying to get rid of this that was foreign material and while I had been deadended with just enough information that despite to tired and tired of suffering I was less affraid of dying than being left dependent.While I tried to hold out long enough to get my affairs wrapped up to not burden my daughter and endured a hell I wish on noone,forcing myself thru a day that added up to wks and on until I,despite continued suffering,noticed certain changes in certain things that had been problematic and painful for yrs.which started to release.Yet I was reduced to skin and bones,this forced my hair out where it had tunneled up my neck and head while not realizing what had happened on my face was also happening on the backside of my head.I continued to collect and document it all thinking and hoping my daughter could get it to someone so others could be help and spared what I had been caused and suffered.Yet while at just over 100 lbs and loss of most of my hair,lookng more like a cancer or Aids patent,I found that despite not much left of me I had many things feel better than had in far to many yrs.Until you are dependent on and very aware of your skin growing for regaining of your health one does not begin to concieve the most painful insanity noone would believe even possible.It having happened to me I cannot wrap my own mind around it.After suffering far to many yrs and one peice of the info. stating that this process could take up to a yr while worse for those elderly,disabled and such,I told myself if I could endure enough to make it that far I had a shot of possibly recovery and regaining my health.Most important being to see my own Gson grow up.
It has taken me to hell and back,and with one small light at a long painful dark tunnel,that which was caused me and put in me,for the profit of what was gained for that of sutures to a huge Company,who knew this suture was being still put in people,electing to settle cases quietly and underhandedly half ass send Reps out to try to collect these sutures used by doctors,hospitals ect. not being either staight up and forward in any effort of warning and far to many who have themselves used them,while never bothering to take serious those who suffered and tried to tell them,who were dismissed,treated like they were crazy,stupid and worse.Such is the medical system we have become acceptable while doctors chose not to keep informed or take time to do any research,of other cases or aspects of the health problems,stange symptoms people are caused as well as serious infections that far more never knew what hit them or it got to.
YOur own check of recalls of these sutures can be now found again just over a month ago and with a Urgent label far to late and to much harm later.I have had that of what by stretching my thigh muscle to fast where this had worked down it and what I thought would be a painful muscle pull after it literally popped,only to have a huge blister of which suture caused when broke loose stand up in a long and high of almost 1/3 in. on my thigh where was not the muscle pulling.This has come up thru my skin looking like scratches,blisters,white spots that come to the surface layer and one can scratch off that layer.While the skin on my back and chest balls up in this white gooey stuff that fragments are seen in this layer.My hair is still trying to grow in in varing lengths as well.What was cause of a sudden and with out reason or warning,total loss of hearing in my right ear,is slowly having coming back.
This was intially called Vicryl sutures of which is synthetic mesh that is both woven and braided.This abnormal skin growth comes off in such a manner.However it then the 2nd go around is apparently called Panacryl and cause of the same problems.Yet it took far to many lives and health,destroying of lives,families and for those who manage to survive have gone thru a hell on earth to do so and have had to have very strong reasons and purpose to living and surving to do so.I have this huge chunk of my prime of life taken and replaced with suffering and loss that few would even want to recover to face.I do not recognize who I see in the mirror at 50,nor is there anything left of my life intact.I have suffered thru one stage after another of what only was of Gods hand stepping in,as not one doctor lifted a finger to help despite many promises and fighting thru a hell as dirt was thrown in on me as I clawed up the walls of my own grave a 2nd time.There is little that has not been done,caused,or I incurred at the hands of the medical system that now exists with no focus on health or recovery,but for profit.There are people in nooks and crannies all over that have been trapped in a medical deathrow because of this and things like this that once caught cannot either get help or get out.After a yr and 1/2 of hell that I fought thru,and have just managed to stablize enough to get to church on my own ability,while the so called doctors who I was brushed off on who failed even to do one thing that they promised,let alone a biopsy of the sight under my eye at least so I know how deep this layers go of that of a insane abnormal skin growth which 3 excises tunneled and twisted together where it hit up against my nose cartlage.I have not only pictures of the exices ruptures,where these sutures were put in me and documention of that which it caused as it worked across my face disfigureing me as it went.Just below this it forced out a hole in my back molar.My implant is felt just under the skin,when it was put under muscle,and feels like a flat tire.There is little left of me that which to buld on,but I managed to survive and given that I built myself from the inside out,instead of my identy being on that of what once was an attractive woman,who few men have work as hard as nor tried to be as self sufficient and independent,and determined to raise my daughter up to be a good,decent healthy woman and person as well doing so on my own and who I only asked of the world the right to earn my own way and work hard to support my child and self.Noone imagines even such being possible let alone caused to them.Yet I know far more never made it than have.In my own area thru your own MED. questions I recieved doctors in my area who have removed these sutures from patients yet could not get myself free of being deadended by a doctor here to get a referral nor they a appt without one.This issue was not only subject of 20/20 some yrs back,but the first go around.We are faced with far to many health problems not winning the battle for already,while these things are being caused on top of such and the price to high to be paid for while far to many profit at our expense once we get sucked in and trapped in a system we cannot get out of.While it never just effecting one person or those cause this,as my childs raiseing was interrupted and her stability and sense of security taken as she watched helplessly as I lay dying the first time only to see me decline and loose health inspite of going to the greatest lengths I have to both regain and get medial help just to recover health taken and destroyed for no right or reason.Noones life or health is or should be item for sale yet thats what it amounts to.
While as you indicate your first knowledge of someone having problems with Vicryl sutures,is prime example of that which is not being done in this medical system.Currently I am piecing together,that of what this has done and documented while never expecting to surviving this when it came to a head,or putting together the two having been all stemming from the same issue.Your own ability to check and get the info that is on this is far more accessable to you than I had to go thru while fighting thru this on my own. Yet I do not give myself credit for being smart enough to figure this out, nor that which in combination of things out of desperation and determination I was led to and to do to change the dynamics which has kept this tunneling to that of forcing up.But while far to much we are being exposed to,decided a magic pill or answer,cure or fix all that was never intended in a human body.While I wish I could say I am a simple case of being alone or victim of that which the med sytem causes only to kick us to the curb.Yet while what started as one reason to buy time,turned to anger and outrage,that channeled in to refusing to let what I had managed to get thru up just to be wasted,kept me fighting and clawing thru a hell some of the doctors I have met should have experienced for themselves.Had these sutures not been put in my face to visably be clear as to that of what they are capable of and as it is documented as where they were put in,as they tunneled and as they forced up thru the skin.Furthermore is the layers as they have come off and collected,documented by pictures as well as the eveidence that which has been saved and collected as such has come out of my skin.In such the changes which clearly we know that scars do not for no reason start and grow as well as move nor do they change as does the fact that as they come up and off so does the visual creases that had occurred as the skin grew abnormally.The fact that there is secific things that had no reason or cause to have occurred,documented progessive and disabling health problems that were seen and treated or diagnosed by appropriate specialists,to that of certain things that had specific effects as to causeing this to go from tunneling to forcing up and which effected changes in that of those health problems and with the least of common sense used while it also proven that this Suture has caused the very thing in countless other cases which while my own records not only show that both such of my own relating that of there had to be a problem with the sutures,consistant things with that of other cases and all well before ever knowing anything about these or up until the issue that caused them to force up I had not put that of the two health problems together.In a rational medical world,based on desire to and for recovering of health and health problems,illness and disability,one would think that such would include that if there was something that infact did help someone who suffered from being a victim of these sutures which now has risen to the point of being only recently recalled in a Urgent level,that only after a history as well as far to many came forward with the same problems and harm,to create a Class Action suit,across the country.Such seems it would be desireable to know or be something worth trying to understand.But instead,insanely a person finds not only themselves fighting for their life and as they spiraled downward to become incapacitated only to fight to hold on and claw their way back to where they were suppose to get help but to find that such has evolved into the beleif that doctors can scedule patients in the same apptmt. time slots of which is already limited and rare to ever be enough time,for adaquate care or treatment,but that 2&3 patients are being scheduled for that same apptmt while it physically impossible for any doctor no matter how good or competent to see and treat patients of number at the sametime.It is illegal and seriously inexusable to double bill insurance Co. for the same patients care and apptmt.But somehow this is different or otherwise acceptable and not illegal to do,besides putting patients at risk?Unfortunately patients who are who live and are the experts of the bodies they have lived in and relied on to function,have been removed from the equatation and end up having to fight doctors when they are so ill and the last need to have to do so when without their health,while they are ignored and treated as a thing rather than a whole person who is effected by any health problem.
After all that this has caused,taken and destroyed,in my life and health,it is the last thing that I would want to see happen to or others left to continue to suffer unable to get help.As well as while unable to change,get back or is there any way to ever make good or repair what has been the cost in all of this,Yet there is the ability to try to see that somethig possitive comes from so much harm and suffering.But just as with my infection and literally a written letter stating that it was impossible that this infection could or was in the very organs that it was found and had to be removed.As well as despite contending and making it clear that it was not beleived nor was the loss of my reproductive sytem wanted nor needed,only for me to be forced into such to have it turn out to not only have not been there or needed,but served to compound an already serious health condition,to then be brushed under the rug as called it was good that it was a disposable organ,yet to who?To then be punished for having managed to survive by doing exactly that which was demanded not to do and that care would be denied me if I insisted on pursuein it and not learn to live with that which would have resulted in killing me.The brickwalls I have faced and had to somehow break thru,is and are that of the arrogance of what is suppose to be a Medical system who was designed to deal with and help people,yet while at the sametime it wants to ignore anything that is not textbook,is not suppose to happen and yet has.But at the sametime refuseing to acknowledge why and that of the fact that because we are being exposed and subjected to more and more of things that are not what a human body was to or designed to have put in us,resulting in all kinds of serious and reproductive things thiigs that never were before issuse or seen,and becuse such as human beings we have ro or a need to dismiss and pretend doe not exist that are infact really real and requires help.Justas these things are so ir is easier ro prented that despite that it is almost anyth8ngs not that of the fact or things we should not or God built us to have put in use.such being an arrogance and reject that reaction for doing so and putting us in possitions that while clearly something not once a reality it has evovle into such while beig ignored and actually unable to do more than try to survive it with or our own means.It makes it no less real nor that of being both documented as causing countless other cases while providing oneself as living proof as well as the actual proof and evdence to only find that this being something some not so many yrs ago were not the result and or something we faced.Just as a 76 yr old woman 5 miles up the road that herself homebound while prior to 2006 was in good health aside from a injured back,Yet I accidently met who has in this time become so twisted and bent over it is impossible for her to staighten up to even do the dishes,while her back resembles both like a pretzel and she is not much more than just over half her hight.It taken this of almost 7 yrs to get recent surgery to have rods put back into her back while having to also take bone from her hip to fuse into her back.Preiously used cadbra bone that cause a serious and severe infection for her to be ignored and suffer as this not just the infection made her so deathly ill but the rods removed leaving her in a shape that is without seeing one cannot believe.sufferiing so to that of being also homebound and so deathly ill that it was not an option for her to lose her independence or become dependent of those who have also harmed her to at one point as she lay in her own filth and sweat no also believing she would survive while those who put this in her as well as the bone from a dead person,turn on her and refused her any furhter appt.I a state that it is believed as the end of the road.Fully ready if she could not endure anymore of what any normal person would even begin to think was possible of levels of pain and illness,to end her life instead of falling dependent and unable to even live in her own small life that to go to town even after the worse of it was major and took days to recover from.Such not something suppose to happen yet in her recent surgery taking that of 7 yrs to get to the signs of the severity of infection in her back was very visable,yet she was left to suffer and have what normal people never would concieve possible.Her recovery of this surgery being sent home far to early while having not reliable family as her hip where bone was taken being so unbareable yet I pray is the worst of what finally wilk begin to atleast start to improve and at the same time she being such a inspriation as well as seeing her so much more straightened I was in shock and amazed,but being of the old school mentality she tries to hard to keep taking on all she can while feeling if she does not all is lost and she suffered to long and to much when such caused to her left her helpless and if she does not do it it will not get done or done right.Such whiie it should be her time to rest and recover.she being the true meaning of true grit.Just the pressure and way her insides had to contorted and such pressure clearly impossible not to acknowledge.Yet while just one more example of that which because it was not what was expected to happen but did she was forced to live a life of hell when she deserved to enjoy her golden yrs.such things being what are the so many times what is not known and occurs far to much but hidden away and people niavely thinking and seeing only that of sucess but not the far to many that failed to be and as a result goes unknown,untreated and left to suffer either until they give up,die or other.Yet it come actually down to far to much and often it never asked or acknowledged in the first place why we are seeing both such stange and yet very real serious problems that are stemming from far to much of refusing to conceed that what we are being exposed is actually harming,killing us in both just what we are in general life as well s by this med system.
So while you say this is the first time you have heard of Vicryl sutures causing problems,I would imagine that you have yourself used these while it then would be to your benefit and infact respoinsib;ity to do some research and check for yourself not only the recalls but that of doctors who themselves removed these sutures from patients long after post operative and when they had worked out into other areas of the body then where they were believed when put had desolved.Far to many horror stories and my own experience while having documented and can prove that of what these have done to me while almost everything but conceeding that of what was visably seen and occuring after they were used on me in much less severe and deeper surgeries of the body,and just under the skin of exices.This,I had to insist be documented by picutures as it progressed and I tired to find help and or someone who knew about these sutures,Never dreaming or knowing that it had been the original I was subjected to that had started it all.I've managed to survive,but while far to many doctors do not know or will no acknowledge these kinds of things,it is at our expense.They have just now made it to the urgent Recall list.You would be greatly served to check this for yourself and feel free to go back and check that of prior recalls as well as the underhanded way they made a less than concern for peoples lives and health to attempt to retrieve them.Leaving far to many left to still be used and doctors,Hospitals ect unawared and uneducated.Resulting in inablilty to get even the least of help.
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Did you ever checked if the sutures used on you were part of the recall?
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Yes they were,as well as the resubjection I them when they were put back in me when they began to cause ruptures in my skin.
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